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Delta variant among the vaccinated

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #1

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/this-900-person-delta-cluster-in-mass-has-cdc-freaked-out-74-are-vaccinated/

    A cluster of 900 people infected with the Delta variant, they are symptomatic, and a whopping 74% of them are vaccinated.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #2

      How many vaccinated people died?

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      • CopperC Copper

        How many vaccinated people died?

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        @copper said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

        How many vaccinated people died?

        That's the $64 question.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #4

          And of these symptomatic people, how many are seriously ill?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Loki
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            #5

            I think the real harm issue is vaccinated people giving the virus to unvaccinated people. I don’t think unvaccinated people anticipated that.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #6

              No, because we keep using the word vaccine, and we think about it in the classical sense, whereas COVID vaccines are not nearly as effective as for instance, MMR.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

                Approximately three quarters (346; 74%) of cases occurred in fully vaccinated persons (those who had completed a 2-dose course of mRNA vaccine [Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna] or had received a single dose of Janssen [Johnson & Johnson] vaccine ≥14 days before exposure). Genomic sequencing of specimens from 133 patients identified the B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in 119 (89%) and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%). Overall, 274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were reported. Real-time reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) cycle threshold (Ct) values in specimens from 127 vaccinated persons with breakthrough cases were similar to those from 84 persons who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 22.77 and 21.54, respectively).

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • 89th8 Online
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                  Ok so of the sample size, 1.5% were hospitalized and 0.0% die.

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                    time reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) cycle threshold (Ct) values in specimens from 127 vaccinated persons with breakthrough cases were similar to those from 84 persons who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 22.77 and 21.54, respectively).

                    Now how do those numbers compare to unvaccinated with Delta?

                    The Brad

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      Ok so of the sample size, 1.5% were hospitalized and 0.0% die.

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                      @89th said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                      Ok so of the sample size, 1.5% were hospitalized and 0.0% die.

                      That's still about 1 in 75 people. Good about the deaths, though.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                        time reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) cycle threshold (Ct) values in specimens from 127 vaccinated persons with breakthrough cases were similar to those from 84 persons who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 22.77 and 21.54, respectively).

                        Now how do those numbers compare to unvaccinated with Delta?

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                        @lufins-dad said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                        @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                        time reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) cycle threshold (Ct) values in specimens from 127 vaccinated persons with breakthrough cases were similar to those from 84 persons who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 22.77 and 21.54, respectively).

                        Now how do those numbers compare to unvaccinated with Delta?

                        I was recently told about an exceptional (high viral load) case with CT=16. When I asked what was normal he said “more like 21”. Granted that was informally off the top of his head.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
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                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/

                          ”There’s a rush to get shots that correlates with delta’s rise and hospitalizations,” …

                          There are signs of people previously hesitant about getting vaccinated changing their minds as they see more people getting infected and even hospitalized due to the Delta variant.

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                          • HoraceH Online
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                            Horace
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                            We were going to be returning to the office in a month. Delta oughta be good for keeping us home for at least the rest of 2021.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              These didn't age well:

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                I remember laughing at the conspiracy theorists who doubted the scientific authorities at that time. Lol what a bunch of maroons. Sociopaths with no empathy, too. Dumb, low empathy, ugly people - if there's one thing COVID has taught us, it's that they doubt science. Must be genetic.

                                Why can't they all just die already and leave us good people alone?

                                Where's my fainting couch?

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
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                                  FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!!

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    These didn't age well:

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                                    89th8 Online
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                                    @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                                    These didn't age well:

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                                    Misinformation, you should know better @George-K

                                    He said that based on the evidence and trials at that point, all 3 had been effective in that regard.

                                    Which was true.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                                      These didn't age well:

                                      90707039-0c22-4566-98e4-18885617a7be-image.png

                                      Misinformation, you should know better @George-K

                                      He said that based on the evidence and trials at that point, all 3 had been effective in that regard.

                                      Which was true.

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                      Aqua Letifer
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                                      @89th said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                                      Misinformation, you should know better @George-K
                                      He said that based on the evidence and trials at that point, all 3 had been effective in that regard.
                                      Which was true.

                                      I'm constantly amazed that this is what we keep hearing.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        @george-k said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                                        These didn't age well:

                                        90707039-0c22-4566-98e4-18885617a7be-image.png

                                        Misinformation, you should know better @George-K

                                        He said that based on the evidence and trials at that point, all 3 had been effective in that regard.

                                        Which was true.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        @89th said in Delta variant among the vaccinated:

                                        Misinformation, you should know better @George-K

                                        You would think that a guy like Fauci would be smart enough to understand the science will, indeed, change.

                                        To make pronouncements like that strikes me as being a little bit reckless.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Jolly
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                                          It's political.

                                          One doesn't dwell in the depths of The Swamp for as long as Fauci has, without acquiring a maximum amount of slime. He quit being a doctor a long time ago.

                                          Time for him to retire.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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