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  • HoraceH Horace

    @loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

    @horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

    @loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

    We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.

    Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.

    No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?

    You get a shocked face when you contemplate how that particular idiotic mob entered through unlocked doors and vandalized the Capitol? What if the doors had been locked? Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?

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    @horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

    Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?

    Those aren't the only two options. When Kavanaugh was confirmed, there was a mob outside the Supreme Court literally trying to beat down the doors. Had the doors been opened, there would have been a very similar if not worse situation.

    There were security problems on January 6, quite obviously. But if no one cares about that, why did all of social media blow up with clips of the capitol police letting people in? And anyway, clearly most of the blame should go to the folks who actually trespassed, and to the person who used his position to encourage the crowd.

    Please love yourself.

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      We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.

      Anarchists almost seized control of our government.

      If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.

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      • CopperC Copper

        We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.

        Anarchists almost seized control of our government.

        If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.

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        @copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

        We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.

        Anarchists almost seized control of our government.

        If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.

        The law and order boys did their best but were not disciplined enough to get the job done. Ridiculing your tribe for looking like buffoons is a novel strategy to try and turn it around. Believe me when the movie is done those videos are going to sting. It’s an own goal like I’ve never seen.

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          Jolly
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          My God, what a fragile republic we have.😄😄😄

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

            I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              My God, what a fragile republic we have.😄😄😄

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              @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

              My God, what a fragile republic we have.😄😄😄

              Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?

              Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish'.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                My God, what a fragile republic we have.😄😄😄

                Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?

                Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish'.

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                @doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                My God, what a fragile republic we have.😄😄😄

                Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?

                Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish' realism.

                FIFY.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                  I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...

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                  @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                  Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                  I'm neither American nor normal, but to be honest I'd rather forget about it, too.

                  I was only joking

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                    I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...

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                    @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                    Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                    The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                    "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                      Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                      The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                      "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

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                      @aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                      @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                      Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                      The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                      "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                      Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                        @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                        Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                        The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                        "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                        Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.

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                        @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                        @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                        Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                        The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                        "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                        Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.

                        We all live in a bubble, Jolly.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                          The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                          "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                          Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.

                          We all live in a bubble, Jolly.

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                          Jolly
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                          @doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          @jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                          Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?

                          The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.

                          "Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.

                          Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.

                          We all live in a bubble, Jolly.

                          Yeah, but some of them are created by your own farts.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.

                            This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.

                              This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                              I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.

                              Agree. Most of my neighbors are Trumpists.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.

                                In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                  Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.

                                  In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."

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                                  @george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                  I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                  Is the standard different from other police forces, because we’ve seen plenty of examples now of what police apparently say is enough. In fact that debate is the root of so many problems we are facing.

                                  But maybe to your point why no uproar now?

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                    Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.

                                    In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."

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                                    @george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                    I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                    Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.

                                    In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."

                                    The hot rumor is that the shooter was one of Pence's Secret Service detail...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • L Loki

                                      @george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                      I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.

                                      Is the standard different from other police forces, because we’ve seen plenty of examples now of what police apparently say is enough. In fact that debate is the root of so many problems we are facing.

                                      But maybe to your point why no uproar now?

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                                      @loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                      But maybe to your point why no uproar now?

                                      Easy:

                                      1. "Democracy was threatened" (ignore the fact that within hours, Congress did its job).
                                      2. The woman killed was white and unarmed.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                        Well worth the watch if you are still conflicted that something really terrible happened.

                                        https://digg.com/video/this-40-minute-video-investigation-about-the-capitol-riot-is-the-most-definitive-account-of-what-happened-that-day

                                        If anyone has a different account to suggest this is an exaggeration with different video I promise I will watch.

                                        40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?

                                        If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?

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                                        @horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:

                                        Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?

                                        If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?

                                        Could have said the same thing about 9/11 and cockpit dooors.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          Actually the Capitol doors were locked. They broke in.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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