The Jan 6 “nothing burger”
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@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?Blaming the victim, public-sector style.
If anybody would like to begin questioning how easy it was for a small mob of idiots to do something "terrible" to our very democracy, that would be a very reasonable line of questioning. But nobody has begun that line of questioning, for some reason. I know the reason. Because that rhetoric doesn't serve the emotions of the questioners. Nobody gets bent out of shape about security, they get bent out of shape about idiotic mobs, and the symbolism of the Capitol building. Which I can understand, I just wish the outrage over those wasn't so selective. I'm personally rather fond of the symbolism of peaceful neighborhoods and police stations and such.
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
If anybody would like to begin questioning how easy it was for a small mob of idiots to do something "terrible" to our very democracy, that would be a very reasonable line of questioning. But nobody has begun that line of questioning, for some reason. I know the reason. Because that rhetoric doesn't serve the emotions of the questioners. Nobody gets bent out of shape about security, they get bent out of shape about idiotic mobs, and the symbolism of the Capitol building. Which I can understand, I just wish the outrage over those wasn't so selective. I'm personally rather fond of the symbolism of peaceful neighborhoods and police stations and such.
I don't agree that of the people who consider the January 6 event to be serious, only a trivial number of them are concerned about security. Plenty of outrage was expressed over the capitol police basically opening the barricades in some parts, and allowing the mob to trespass.
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My gut instinct says Jan 6 must, at the least, be regarded as a camel's-nose-under-the-tent incident. Something probably regarded as unlikely happened. The door is open now. Whether it was lax security or Trump's rousing or unlocked doors or anything else all come in second, and endless arguing over them is pointless.
We're in the Era of Stupid now. Stupid has been let out of the box, been awarded its own brand of respectful attention. Thanks, click journalism.
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
You get a shocked face when you contemplate how that particular idiotic mob entered through unlocked doors and vandalized the Capitol? What if the doors had been locked? Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
You get a shocked face when you contemplate how that particular idiotic mob entered through unlocked doors and vandalized the Capitol? What if the doors had been locked? Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?
Those aren't the only two options. When Kavanaugh was confirmed, there was a mob outside the Supreme Court literally trying to beat down the doors. Had the doors been opened, there would have been a very similar if not worse situation.
There were security problems on January 6, quite obviously. But if no one cares about that, why did all of social media blow up with clips of the capitol police letting people in? And anyway, clearly most of the blame should go to the folks who actually trespassed, and to the person who used his position to encourage the crowd.
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We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.
Anarchists almost seized control of our government.
If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.
Anarchists almost seized control of our government.
If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.
The law and order boys did their best but were not disciplined enough to get the job done. Ridiculing your tribe for looking like buffoons is a novel strategy to try and turn it around. Believe me when the movie is done those videos are going to sting. It’s an own goal like I’ve never seen.
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My God, what a fragile republic we have.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
My God, what a fragile republic we have.
Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?
Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish'.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
My God, what a fragile republic we have.
Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?
Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish'.
@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
My God, what a fragile republic we have.
Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?
Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed
relish' realism.FIFY.
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Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
I'm neither American nor normal, but to be honest I'd rather forget about it, too.
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Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
I haven't heard it mentioned since the week of. Maybe the Beltway is still agog, but it ain't playing out here...
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
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@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
Yeah, but some of them are created by your own farts.
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I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.
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I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.
@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
Agree. Most of my neighbors are Trumpists.
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I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
@george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Is the standard different from other police forces, because we’ve seen plenty of examples now of what police apparently say is enough. In fact that debate is the root of so many problems we are facing.
But maybe to your point why no uproar now?
