The Jan 6 “nothing burger”
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?Blaming the victim, public-sector style.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Well worth the watch if you are still conflicted that something really terrible happened.
If anyone has a different account to suggest this is an exaggeration with different video I promise I will watch.
40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s. That’s 60 years of history for predictions. Also the crowd is of their own, law and order types.
So yeah security could have been a lot better but I’m not sure even you you as a Capitol Police leader would have known.
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@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?Blaming the victim, public-sector style.
If anybody would like to begin questioning how easy it was for a small mob of idiots to do something "terrible" to our very democracy, that would be a very reasonable line of questioning. But nobody has begun that line of questioning, for some reason. I know the reason. Because that rhetoric doesn't serve the emotions of the questioners. Nobody gets bent out of shape about security, they get bent out of shape about idiotic mobs, and the symbolism of the Capitol building. Which I can understand, I just wish the outrage over those wasn't so selective. I'm personally rather fond of the symbolism of peaceful neighborhoods and police stations and such.
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
If anybody would like to begin questioning how easy it was for a small mob of idiots to do something "terrible" to our very democracy, that would be a very reasonable line of questioning. But nobody has begun that line of questioning, for some reason. I know the reason. Because that rhetoric doesn't serve the emotions of the questioners. Nobody gets bent out of shape about security, they get bent out of shape about idiotic mobs, and the symbolism of the Capitol building. Which I can understand, I just wish the outrage over those wasn't so selective. I'm personally rather fond of the symbolism of peaceful neighborhoods and police stations and such.
I don't agree that of the people who consider the January 6 event to be serious, only a trivial number of them are concerned about security. Plenty of outrage was expressed over the capitol police basically opening the barricades in some parts, and allowing the mob to trespass.
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My gut instinct says Jan 6 must, at the least, be regarded as a camel's-nose-under-the-tent incident. Something probably regarded as unlikely happened. The door is open now. Whether it was lax security or Trump's rousing or unlocked doors or anything else all come in second, and endless arguing over them is pointless.
We're in the Era of Stupid now. Stupid has been let out of the box, been awarded its own brand of respectful attention. Thanks, click journalism.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We keep rehashing the same issues. The Capitol Hill police has been defending against riots since the 60’s.
Really, 60 years of practice against insurrections that threaten the very seat of our government, and they suck this bad at it? That's your position here? It's all closer to a nothing burger than you're willing to admit, and the fact that we didn't even bother defending against the possibility of it is good evidence of that.
No one ever did what this group did. That’s the point, no expectation that a group would actually attempt a palace coup. Why is it so hard for you to get just how fucked up it was?
You get a shocked face when you contemplate how that particular idiotic mob entered through unlocked doors and vandalized the Capitol? What if the doors had been locked? Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Would you have been equally shocked to see a mob member try the door to see if it was open, then shrug and walk away rather than, what, deploy their shaped charge to gain entry?
Those aren't the only two options. When Kavanaugh was confirmed, there was a mob outside the Supreme Court literally trying to beat down the doors. Had the doors been opened, there would have been a very similar if not worse situation.
There were security problems on January 6, quite obviously. But if no one cares about that, why did all of social media blow up with clips of the capitol police letting people in? And anyway, clearly most of the blame should go to the folks who actually trespassed, and to the person who used his position to encourage the crowd.
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@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
We were only moments away from having the republic overthrown.
Anarchists almost seized control of our government.
If the heroic officer hadn't shot the rioter we might all be living in a dictatorship today.
The law and order boys did their best but were not disciplined enough to get the job done. Ridiculing your tribe for looking like buffoons is a novel strategy to try and turn it around. Believe me when the movie is done those videos are going to sting. It’s an own goal like I’ve never seen.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
My God, what a fragile republic we have.
Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?
Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed relish'.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
My God, what a fragile republic we have.
Haven't many on the right been predicting civil war and the fall of the republic for years?
Some might say 'predicting with ill-concealed
relish' realism.FIFY.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
I'm neither American nor normal, but to be honest I'd rather forget about it, too.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
Yeah, but some of them are created by your own farts.
