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  • L Loki
    30 Jun 2021, 16:51

    @horace said in Spying?:

    It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.

    I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 19:42 last edited by
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    @loki said in Spying?:

    @horace said in Spying?:

    It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.

    I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.

    In a huge coincidence, that pretty much coincides with the time I was referring to when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok.

    I was only joking

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    • D Doctor Phibes
      30 Jun 2021, 19:42

      @loki said in Spying?:

      @horace said in Spying?:

      It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.

      I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.

      In a huge coincidence, that pretty much coincides with the time I was referring to when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok.

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      George K
      wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 21:22 last edited by
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      @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

      when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok

      Anyone on this forum?

      Asking for a (former) friend.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        30 Jun 2021, 21:22

        @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

        when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok

        Anyone on this forum?

        Asking for a (former) friend.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 23:17 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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        @george-k said in Spying?:

        @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

        when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok

        Anyone on this forum?

        Asking for a (former) friend.

        There's hardly anybody left here, and I honestly can't remember.

        The point, that abuse of power and invasion of privacy is certainly not restricted to those on the left, who I refuse to call liberals, stands.

        I was only joking

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          George K
          wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 12:10 last edited by
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          Here you go:

          Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim

          Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

          Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.

          Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.

          So, how did Swann find out about this?

          Someone at NSA leaked it to him.

          And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.

          Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 12:18 last edited by
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            Link to video

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • G George K
              8 Jul 2021, 12:10

              Here you go:

              Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim

              Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

              Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.

              Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.

              So, how did Swann find out about this?

              Someone at NSA leaked it to him.

              And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.

              Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 13:04 last edited by
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              @george-k said in Spying?:

              Here you go:

              Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim

              Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

              Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.

              Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.

              So, how did Swann find out about this?

              Someone at NSA leaked it to him.

              And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.

              Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.

              So, essentially they weren't spying on Carlson - they were spying on the Russians that Carlson was in contact with?

              But they leaked Carlson's name.

              I was only joking

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              • D Doctor Phibes
                8 Jul 2021, 13:04

                @george-k said in Spying?:

                Here you go:

                Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim

                Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.

                Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.

                Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.

                So, how did Swann find out about this?

                Someone at NSA leaked it to him.

                And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.

                Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.

                So, essentially they weren't spying on Carlson - they were spying on the Russians that Carlson was in contact with?

                But they leaked Carlson's name.

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                George K
                wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 13:13 last edited by
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                @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                But they leaked Carlson's name.

                Not only leaked, but unmasked. That request comes from high up.

                Who did it? For what reason? What national security issue was addressed by unmasking Carlson?

                There is should be a high standard for this. But, of course, that went out the window with Susan Rice and others in the waning days of the Obama administration.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 13:23 last edited by
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                  Former NSA Director Mike Rogers explained how the unmasking process works in a 2017 congressional testimony.

                  “Number one, you must make the request in writing. Number two, the request must be made on the basis of your official duties, not the fact that you just find this report really interesting and you’re just curious. It has to tangibly tie to your job,” and “the basis of the request must be that you need this identity to understand the intelligence you’re reading,” Rogers testified.

                  So, how does that work with Carlson?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 13:29 last edited by
                    #27

                    Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.

                    I was only joking

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 14:30 last edited by
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                      It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece. When I see moderate GOP leaders express alarm and demand an investigation I will know this is the real deal.

                      Of course I think it’s awful but maybe just maybe TuCa is frothing up his base knowing that it won’t go anywhere? He knows he will soon have another shiny object?

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 15:14 last edited by
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                        This is an attack by the government on a private citizen.

                        As far as we know the motive is purely political.

                        It is a dangerous game, there will certainly be retaliation.

                        Maybe this is retaliation.

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          8 Jul 2021, 13:29

                          Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 16:06 last edited by George K 7 Aug 2021, 16:06
                          #30

                          @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                          Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.

                          Yeah, assholes have rights too.

                          @Loki said

                          It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece.

                          The question is who authorized the unmasking, and to what end. You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 17:11 last edited by
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                            Let’s see where this goes. As much as I enjoy TuCa most his stuff goes nowhere.

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                            • G George K
                              8 Jul 2021, 16:06

                              @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                              Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.

                              Yeah, assholes have rights too.

                              @Loki said

                              It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece.

                              The question is who authorized the unmasking, and to what end. You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 17:13 last edited by
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                              @george-k said in Spying?:

                              You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                              Let's hope they're not using FedEx.

                              With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.

                              I was only joking

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                              • D Doctor Phibes
                                8 Jul 2021, 17:13

                                @george-k said in Spying?:

                                You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                                Let's hope they're not using FedEx.

                                With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 17:30 last edited by
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                                @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                @george-k said in Spying?:

                                You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                                Let's hope they're not using FedEx.

                                With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.

                                I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.

                                "nuff said.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  30 Jun 2021, 15:25

                                  Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.

                                  Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.

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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 17:38 last edited by
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                                  @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                  Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.

                                  Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.

                                  Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    8 Jul 2021, 17:30

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                    @george-k said in Spying?:

                                    You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                                    Let's hope they're not using FedEx.

                                    With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.

                                    I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.

                                    "nuff said.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 18:02 last edited by
                                    #35

                                    @jolly said in Spying?:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                    @george-k said in Spying?:

                                    You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.

                                    Let's hope they're not using FedEx.

                                    With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.

                                    I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.

                                    "nuff said.

                                    Yeah, maybe. It hasn't really been verified what has happened.

                                    Tucker's M.O. is to say a lot of stuff which could be happening, and everybody gets very excited, and then generally it turns out not to be that big a deal after all.

                                    It's all about the viewers.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • L Larry
                                      8 Jul 2021, 17:38

                                      @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                      Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.

                                      Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.

                                      Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 18:03 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Aug 2021, 18:03
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                                      @larry said in Spying?:

                                      @doctor-phibes said in Spying?:

                                      Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.

                                      Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.

                                      Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?

                                      Only when I'm talking to Americans. I've found that it helps to converse with them in a language with which they're familiar. They're simple folk, but quite likeable.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • J Jolly
                                        29 Jun 2021, 12:04

                                        Needs to stop.

                                        Freedom is crumbling before people's eyes and they don't give a damn. FISA court abuse. Domestic spying. Carnivore and its current version. Suppression of free speech. Suppression of religion.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 21:42 last edited by
                                        #37

                                        @jolly said in Spying?:

                                        Needs to stop.

                                        You mean the screaming for attention by Tucker? Or the amplification of anonymous "tips" supporting his own victimization claims?

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 8 Jul 2021, 21:48 last edited by
                                          #38

                                          Listen, you partisan, dim-witted bastard...and that's being kind, because you deserve worse, since you are much smarter than you are portraying yourself...This is an on-going problem. Whether it's happening to Trump, Tucker, whoever. You should have enough sense to know, that the pendulum will swing and then an already weaponized NSA will be used against people and things you value.

                                          It's wrong. It needs to stop. Now. People need to go to jail.

                                          If you don't cut the crap tap off right now, it can and will, get worse.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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