Spying?
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It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.
It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.
I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.
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It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.
I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.
It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.
I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.
In a huge coincidence, that pretty much coincides with the time I was referring to when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok.
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It's all so petty. I was once naive enough to have assumed the FBI or NSA would be above this stuff. But the Trump administration and how it was treated by the intelligence community taught everybody a lot.
I’m so naive I remember a time when liberals went ape shit crazy over this kind of stuff.
In a huge coincidence, that pretty much coincides with the time I was referring to when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok
Anyone on this forum?
Asking for a (former) friend.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok
Anyone on this forum?
Asking for a (former) friend.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
when the Bush/Cheney fans told us it was all ok
Anyone on this forum?
Asking for a (former) friend.
There's hardly anybody left here, and I honestly can't remember.
The point, that abuse of power and invasion of privacy is certainly not restricted to those on the left, who I refuse to call liberals, stands.
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Here you go:
Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim
Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.
Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.
Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.
So, how did Swann find out about this?
Someone at NSA leaked it to him.
And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.
Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Here you go:
Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim
Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.
Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.
Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.
So, how did Swann find out about this?
Someone at NSA leaked it to him.
And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.
Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.
Here you go:
Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim
Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.
Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.
Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.
So, how did Swann find out about this?
Someone at NSA leaked it to him.
And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.
Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.
So, essentially they weren't spying on Carlson - they were spying on the Russians that Carlson was in contact with?
But they leaked Carlson's name.
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Here you go:
Tucker Carlson sought Putin interview at time of spying claim
Tucker Carlson was talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before the Fox News host accused the National Security Agency of spying on him, sources familiar with the conversations tell Axios.
Why it matters: Those sources said U.S. government officials learned about Carlson's efforts to secure the Putin interview. Carlson learned that the government was aware of his outreach — and that's the basis of his extraordinary accusation, followed by a rare public denial by the NSA that he had been targeted.
Axios has not confirmed whether any communications from Carlson have been intercepted, and if so, why.
So, how did Swann find out about this?
Someone at NSA leaked it to him.
And if communications were "incidentally" seen, why is Carlson's name being leaked? How did the "whistleblower" know to contact Carlson. My understanding of these intercepts by NSA is that any american is designated "Citizen #1" or something like that. His/her privacy must be maintained.
Unmasking the name of the citizen (as Obama did with the incoming Trump administration) requires some serious moves.
So, essentially they weren't spying on Carlson - they were spying on the Russians that Carlson was in contact with?
But they leaked Carlson's name.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
But they leaked Carlson's name.
Not only leaked, but unmasked. That request comes from high up.
Who did it? For what reason? What national security issue was addressed by unmasking Carlson?
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isshould be a high standard for this. But, of course, that went out the window with Susan Rice and others in the waning days of the Obama administration. -
Former NSA Director Mike Rogers explained how the unmasking process works in a 2017 congressional testimony.
“Number one, you must make the request in writing. Number two, the request must be made on the basis of your official duties, not the fact that you just find this report really interesting and you’re just curious. It has to tangibly tie to your job,” and “the basis of the request must be that you need this identity to understand the intelligence you’re reading,” Rogers testified.
So, how does that work with Carlson?
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Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.
I was only joking
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It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece. When I see moderate GOP leaders express alarm and demand an investigation I will know this is the real deal.
Of course I think it’s awful but maybe just maybe TuCa is frothing up his base knowing that it won’t go anywhere? He knows he will soon have another shiny object?
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Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.
Yeah, assholes have rights too.
@Loki said
It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece.
The question is who authorized the unmasking, and to what end. You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
Presumably, being really annoying isn't considered sufficient cause.
Yeah, assholes have rights too.
@Loki said
It sounds really major but for some reason it isn’t. We are missing a big puzzle piece.
The question is who authorized the unmasking, and to what end. You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
Let's hope they're not using FedEx.
With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
Let's hope they're not using FedEx.
With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.
I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.
"nuff said.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.
Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.
Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.
Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
Let's hope they're not using FedEx.
With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.
I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.
"nuff said.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
You can bet Carlson's people are filing a FOIA request.
Let's hope they're not using FedEx.
With Tucker, there always seems to be a massive scandal just over the horizon which for some mysterious reason never quite materialises.
I don't care who it is and you shouldn't, either. It's illegal. It's being done for political gain.
"nuff said.
Yeah, maybe. It hasn't really been verified what has happened.
Tucker's M.O. is to say a lot of stuff which could be happening, and everybody gets very excited, and then generally it turns out not to be that big a deal after all.
It's all about the viewers.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.
Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.
Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
Back when Dick Cheney was patriotically bugging everybody's phone we were told not to worry, everything would be fine.
Obviously, there was nothing terrifying whatsoever about Dick, Liz is far scarier.
Bull shit. Do you always talk out your ass like that?
Only when I'm talking to Americans. I've found that it helps to converse with them in a language with which they're familiar. They're simple folk, but quite likeable.
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Needs to stop.
Freedom is crumbling before people's eyes and they don't give a damn. FISA court abuse. Domestic spying. Carnivore and its current version. Suppression of free speech. Suppression of religion.
