Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab
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wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 13:31 last edited by
@Mik said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
This thing is so nasty, I have never quite bought that it occurred naturally.
I'm agnostic. I don't think nastiness is an indicator. Bubonic Plague wasn't manufactured, although there were conspiracy theories about it being caused by the Jews - shocking, I know. More recently, people blamed Spanish flu on the Germans.
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wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 13:57 last edited by LuFins Dad
The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Edit... It’s probably 50% political correctness and 50% fear.
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wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:00 last edited by
"I'm not allowed to tell you that."
By whom? He's the goddamn president. If he would have solid evidence and decides that the public should know about this, surely there would be a legal way to demonstrate that evidence.
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The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Edit... It’s probably 50% political correctness and 50% fear.
wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Well, on the one side you've got people being PC, and on the other you've got people making claims with little or no scientific basis. Neither is particularly helpful.
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@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
I'm not deflecting, you were the one who brought up Trump. This isn't about Trump - there are actually more important things in the world than that guy.
To answer the question - I don't know what we can do about it, TBH. The main goal should be to ensure it never happens again, but how do you that? If some kind of sanction is applied, it needs to be agreed internationally, but there's not been a whole lot of international co-operation on anything in recent years.
wrote on 15 Sept 2020, 14:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
I'm not deflecting, you were the one who brought up Trump. This isn't about Trump - there are actually more important things in the world than that guy.
To answer the question - I don't know what we can do about it, TBH. The main goal should be to ensure it never happens again, but how do you that? If some kind of sanction is applied, it needs to be agreed internationally, but there's not been a whole lot of international co-operation on anything in recent years.
Dang right it's about Trump, at least partially. Follow the thread.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Well, on the one side you've got people being PC, and on the other you've got people making claims with little or no scientific basis. Neither is particularly helpful.
wrote on 16 Sept 2020, 12:02 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
claims with little or no scientific basis.
Twitter has suspended her account:
It was not immediately clear what justification Twitter had to suspend the scientist who, to the best of our knowledge, had just 4 tweets as of Tuesday morning none of which violated any stated Twitter policies, with the only relevant tweet being a link to her scientific paper co-written with three other Chinese scientists...
If Yan was wrong, why not just let other scientists respond in the open to the all too valid arguments presented in Dr. Yan's paper? Isn't that what "science" is all about? Why just shut her up?
Because if we have already crossed the tipping point when anyone who proposes an "inconvenient" explanation for an established "truth" has to be immediately censored, then there is little that can be done to salvage the disintegration of a society that once held freedom of speech as paramount.
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wrote on 16 Sept 2020, 12:05 last edited by jon-nyc
Twitter says the authors are from a Steve Bannon org.
Is that true?
Could just be a setup to shake some more money out of the pockets of true believers.
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Listen, whether right or wrong, how ANYONE can trust this guy as a source of truth is beyond me. For years now he has a clearly documented history of lying and making up shit on the spot, that even 3rd graders could see. Heck, even as clearly/recently as "I always knew this would be a pandemic" when a month or two prior it was "This will not be a pandemic".
wrote on 16 Sept 2020, 12:08 last edited by@89th said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Listen, whether right or wrong, how ANYONE can trust this guy as a source of truth is beyond me. For years now he has a clearly documented history of lying and making up shit on the spot, that even 3rd graders could see. Heck, even as clearly/recently as "I always knew this would be a pandemic" when a month or two prior it was "This will not be a pandemic".
Bull shit. Every damn bit of what you wrote is pure bull shit.
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Twitter says the authors are from a Steve Bannon org.
Is that true?
Could just be a setup to shake some more money out of the pockets of true believers.
wrote on 16 Sept 2020, 12:13 last edited by George K@jon-nyc said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Twitter says the authors are from a Steve Bannon org.
Good recap here:
other virologists disagree and say the paper makes false claims about a number of basic facts. “Basically, it's all circumstantial and some of it is entirely fictional,” Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, told The Daily Beast of the study.
The paper leads with a claim that the coronavirus' genes are "suspiciously similar to that of a bat coronavirus discovered by military laboratories" in China—an assertion Rasmussen says shouldn’t be surprising because “they are related SARS-like coronaviruses.”
The study’s authors made a similar claim about a portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—which viruses use to breach and infect cells—and wrote that it’s similar to the original SARS virus in a “suspicious manner” and suggests genetic manipulation. “SARS-CoV also used ACE2 as a cellular receptor, as do other SARS-like bat coronaviruses,” Rasmussen says. “It is not suspicious and is in fact expected that the receptor binding domains that bind the same protein would be similar.”
Rasmussen also said that the paper misrepresented basic facts about another part of coronavirus spike proteins known as furin cleavage sites. The authors claim that SARS-CoV-2’s cleavage site is “unique” and unseen elsewhere in nature. But according to Rasmussen, “Furin cleavage sites occur naturally in many other beta-CoVs, including MERS-CoV and other SARS-like bat coronaviruses.”
Regarding Bannon (from the same site:
The study is the work of the Rule of Law Society and the Rule of Law Foundation, sister nonprofit organizations that Bannon was instrumental in creating. According to documents posted on the Society’s website last year, he served as that group’s chair. The Bannon connection was first spotted by Kevin Bird, a Ph.D. candidate at Michigan State University, and shared by Carl Bergstrom, a biology professor at the University of Washington, who called the study “bizarre and unfounded.”
A search of Google Scholar and the Rule of Law Society and Rule of Law Foundation websites indicates that the organizations have not previously published scientific or medical research, and it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review. It was posted on Monday on the website Zenodo, a publicly available repository of scientific and academic research to which anyone can upload their work.
Both of the nonprofits behind the study were formed in conjunction with exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, with whom Bannon has collaborated on a number of advocacy efforts targeting the Chinese government and business endeavors that have drawn the scrutiny of federal law enforcement officials.
And the report that her account was suspended was from Zero Hedge, so there's that, LOL.
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wrote on 16 Sept 2020, 12:51 last edited by
So, basically, the report is political bullshit wrapped up in a lot of convincing sounding techno-babble?
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 05:53 last edited by
Wouldn't shock me either way. Also wouldn't surprise me if the gov't for political reasons decided to down play it if it turns out this was created in a lab.
Pretty sure we create nasty stuff in labs too. I doubt the Chinese spread it intentionally if it was their creation.
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So, basically, the report is political bullshit wrapped up in a lot of convincing sounding techno-babble?
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 00:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
So, basically, the report is political bullshit wrapped up in a lot of convincing sounding techno-babble?
Li-Meng Yan's mother has been arrested.
A reasonable person would wonder why that happened.
Perhaps she's a bank robber, or a burglar. At age 63, I suppose that's possible.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 00:33 last edited by
I'm watching the woman give her second interview. This woman is speaking out knowing the Chinese government may very well kill her mother for it. She has more guts than most people, and she deserves respect, and to be believed.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 00:37 last edited by
Whether she's telling the truth or not is irrelevant.
The fact that her mother has been arrested is all you need to know about China.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 12:05 last edited by Doctor Phibes 10 Jul 2020, 12:07
You certainly won't find me defending the Chinese communists. They're monstrous. What is happening to Hong Kong and to Chinese Muslims is clearly tyranny in action.
That doesn't mean that what she's saying is true. Neither does her mother being arrested, which is also barbaric.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 12:10 last edited by
So you think a woman would manufacture a lie knowing her mother might be killed because of it?
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Whether she's telling the truth or not is irrelevant.
The fact that her mother has been arrested is all you need to know about China.
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 12:28 last edited by@George-K said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Whether she's telling the truth or not is irrelevant.
The fact that her mother has been arrested is all you need to know about China.
Indeed.
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So you think a woman would manufacture a lie knowing her mother might be killed because of it?
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 12:53 last edited by@Larry said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
So you think a woman would manufacture a lie knowing her mother
in lawmight be killed because of it?Absolutely.
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So you think a woman would manufacture a lie knowing her mother might be killed because of it?
wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 12:57 last edited by@Larry said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
So you think a woman would manufacture a lie knowing her mother might be killed because of it?
Yes, she might, if she thought it was worth the risk to bring down the Chinese government, but I'm not assuming she's lying. She could just be wrong. People are heavily swayed by opinion and prejudice, and a lot of other scientists are saying the virus is naturally occurring. They could also be wrong, of course.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2020, 14:04 last edited by
What does the statistics say................
