Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab
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@jon-nyc said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Wouldn’t shock me if it were true. Wouldn’t shock me if it weren’t.
I feel the same way. Evidence would be nice, though.
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@xenon said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
What he said was not what was reported:
Earlier the US national intelligence director's office said it was still investigating how the virus began.
But the office said it had determined Covid-19 "was not manmade or genetically modified".
Here's what he was asked:
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter: "Have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the origin of this virus?"
"Yes, I have. Yes, I have," said the president, without specifying.
Originated≠Created or modified. His statement is not inconsistent with what the DNI said.
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A senior U.S. intelligence official said Friday that the two scenarios being examined by the intelligence community about the origins of the novel coronavirus – via human contact with infected animals or as the result of a laboratory accident in Wuhan, China – are "both" currently supported by "evidence" that the community is continuing to evaluate.
"Evidence of both scenarios exists," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, given the sensitivity of the matter. The official declined to further characterize the evidence or its credibility, or to say whether either scenario was considered by the intelligence community to be more or less likely. The official did, however, say there was no indication of a "purposeful" release of the virus.
The intelligence official's comments also add at least notional support for remarks made Thursday by President Trump, who said he had seen unspecified evidence supporting the theory that the virus first spread from a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan.
"at least notional support for the remarks..."
What the hell does that even mean?
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OK. So, what happened is that an employee of the lab, or a member of his/her family, got into trouble with the CCP. In revenge, the employee cleverly stole a portion of virus goop, put it in a zip-lock bag, then went outside, opened the bag, and walked away.
No one knew the better. But as the virus spread, this person smiled. Revenge is such sweet victory!
It wasn't the government, or the lab. They are fishing in the wrong tree. It was one person, angry, period.
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https://www.scribd.com/document/475998860/The-Yan-Report#from_embed
Abstract
The COVID-19 pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has led to over 910,000 deaths
worldwide and unprecedented decimation of the global economy. Despite its tremendous impact, the
origin of SARS-CoV-2 has remained mysterious and controversial. The natural origin theory, although
widely accepted, lacks substantial support. The alternative theory that the virus may have come from a
research laboratory is, however, strictly censored on peer-reviewed scientific journals. Nonetheless,
SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic
virus. In this report, we describe the genomic, structural, medical, and literature evidence, which, when
considered together, strongly contradicts the natural origin theory. The evidence shows that SARS-CoV-
2 should be a laboratory product created by using bat coronaviruses ZC45 and/or ZXC21 as a template
and/or backbone. Building upon the evidence, we further postulate a synthetic route for SARS-CoV-2,
demonstrating that the laboratory-creation of this coronavirus is convenient and can be accomplished in
approximately six months. Our work emphasizes the need for an independent investigation into the
relevant research laboratories. It also argues for a critical look into certain recently published data, which,
albeit problematic, was used to support and claim a natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. From a public health
perspective, these actions are necessary as knowledge of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 and of how the virus
entered the human population are of pivotal importance in the fundamental control of the COVID-19
pandemic as well as in preventing similar, future pandemics. -
IOW, Trump may have been right.
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@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
IOW, Trump may have been right.
Yeah, that's always my main concern too.
Honestly, if you come out with as many theories as he does, you're bound to hit the target occasionally. It's carpet bullshitting.
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Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
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@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
I'm not deflecting, you were the one who brought up Trump. This isn't about Trump - there are actually more important things in the world than that guy.
To answer the question - I don't know what we can do about it, TBH. The main goal should be to ensure it never happens again, but how do you that? If some kind of sanction is applied, it needs to be agreed internationally, but there's not been a whole lot of international co-operation on anything in recent years.
I was only joking
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@Mik said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
This thing is so nasty, I have never quite bought that it occurred naturally.
I'm agnostic. I don't think nastiness is an indicator. Bubonic Plague wasn't manufactured, although there were conspiracy theories about it being caused by the Jews - shocking, I know. More recently, people blamed Spanish flu on the Germans.
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The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Edit... It’s probably 50% political correctness and 50% fear.
The Brad
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The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Edit... It’s probably 50% political correctness and 50% fear.
@LuFins-Dad said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Well, on the one side you've got people being PC, and on the other you've got people making claims with little or no scientific basis. Neither is particularly helpful.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
I'm not deflecting, you were the one who brought up Trump. This isn't about Trump - there are actually more important things in the world than that guy.
To answer the question - I don't know what we can do about it, TBH. The main goal should be to ensure it never happens again, but how do you that? If some kind of sanction is applied, it needs to be agreed internationally, but there's not been a whole lot of international co-operation on anything in recent years.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
@Jolly said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Don't deflect.
If this was man-made, what are we going to do about it?
I'm not deflecting, you were the one who brought up Trump. This isn't about Trump - there are actually more important things in the world than that guy.
To answer the question - I don't know what we can do about it, TBH. The main goal should be to ensure it never happens again, but how do you that? If some kind of sanction is applied, it needs to be agreed internationally, but there's not been a whole lot of international co-operation on anything in recent years.
Dang right it's about Trump, at least partially. Follow the thread.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
The bigger issue is the political correctness preventing the possibility from being discussed and investigated.
Well, on the one side you've got people being PC, and on the other you've got people making claims with little or no scientific basis. Neither is particularly helpful.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
claims with little or no scientific basis.
Twitter has suspended her account:
It was not immediately clear what justification Twitter had to suspend the scientist who, to the best of our knowledge, had just 4 tweets as of Tuesday morning none of which violated any stated Twitter policies, with the only relevant tweet being a link to her scientific paper co-written with three other Chinese scientists...
If Yan was wrong, why not just let other scientists respond in the open to the all too valid arguments presented in Dr. Yan's paper? Isn't that what "science" is all about? Why just shut her up?
Because if we have already crossed the tipping point when anyone who proposes an "inconvenient" explanation for an established "truth" has to be immediately censored, then there is little that can be done to salvage the disintegration of a society that once held freedom of speech as paramount.
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Listen, whether right or wrong, how ANYONE can trust this guy as a source of truth is beyond me. For years now he has a clearly documented history of lying and making up shit on the spot, that even 3rd graders could see. Heck, even as clearly/recently as "I always knew this would be a pandemic" when a month or two prior it was "This will not be a pandemic".
@89th said in Coronavirus from Wuhan Lab:
Listen, whether right or wrong, how ANYONE can trust this guy as a source of truth is beyond me. For years now he has a clearly documented history of lying and making up shit on the spot, that even 3rd graders could see. Heck, even as clearly/recently as "I always knew this would be a pandemic" when a month or two prior it was "This will not be a pandemic".
Bull shit. Every damn bit of what you wrote is pure bull shit.
