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    George K
    wrote on 5 Dec 2024, 23:07 last edited by
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 01:00 last edited by
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      Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        6 Dec 2024, 01:00

        Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

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        George K
        wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 01:05 last edited by
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        @Mik said in Havana Syndrome:

        Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

        And the cigars.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 02:08 last edited by
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          Meh. The Dominicans are just as good. Cubans are like Coors used to be east of the Rockies.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            George K
            wrote on 30 Dec 2024, 23:35 last edited by
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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 4 Jan 2025, 10:50 last edited by
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              As any detective would ask, what is the motive for covering up? It is not like Cuba is our strategic partner or anything like that.

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                George K
                wrote on 11 Jan 2025, 00:53 last edited by
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                Who's running the country for the next ten days?

                This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • G George K
                  11 Jan 2025, 00:53

                  Who's running the country for the next ten days?

                  This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 15:55 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                  This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                  That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                  I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

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                    14 Jan 2025, 15:55

                    @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                    This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                    That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                    I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

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                    89th
                    wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 17:30 last edited by
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                    @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

                    @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                    This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                    That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                    I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

                    The short answer is yes, the President is the SOLE person who can authorize the use of nukes. That being said, what really happens (he doesn't have a button, he doesn't have launch codes) is he asks/orders his senior officials to execute the order. Ultimately a number of senior officials and military individuals are involved in carrying it out. If the order was as you said above (i.e., asks for it out of the blue), I'd imagine there would be senior officials who would refuse the order.

                    Some good articles, at least read the first bits...

                    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-06/features/nuclear-launch-authority-too-big-decision-just-president

                    https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Articles/Article-Display/Article/3792833/worried-about-potus-nuclear-weapons-authorization-you-need-not-be-the-integrity/

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                      14 Jan 2025, 17:30

                      @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

                      @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                      This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                      That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                      I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

                      The short answer is yes, the President is the SOLE person who can authorize the use of nukes. That being said, what really happens (he doesn't have a button, he doesn't have launch codes) is he asks/orders his senior officials to execute the order. Ultimately a number of senior officials and military individuals are involved in carrying it out. If the order was as you said above (i.e., asks for it out of the blue), I'd imagine there would be senior officials who would refuse the order.

                      Some good articles, at least read the first bits...

                      https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-06/features/nuclear-launch-authority-too-big-decision-just-president

                      https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Articles/Article-Display/Article/3792833/worried-about-potus-nuclear-weapons-authorization-you-need-not-be-the-integrity/

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 17:59 last edited by
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                      @89th Interesting stuff. Thanks!

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                        14 Jan 2025, 17:59

                        @89th Interesting stuff. Thanks!

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                        89th
                        wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 18:05 last edited by
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                        @taiwan_girl Sure thing! If you want to read a bit more, there is the "football" that is always carried within a short distance from the President. If you ever watch the President on the move, look closely and you'll always see some military person carrying the 45-pound leather bag.

                        https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-football-presidential-satchel-war-df3c1e65cfd21f137fd2fc7e7d62ffab

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                          14 Jan 2025, 18:05

                          @taiwan_girl Sure thing! If you want to read a bit more, there is the "football" that is always carried within a short distance from the President. If you ever watch the President on the move, look closely and you'll always see some military person carrying the 45-pound leather bag.

                          https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-football-presidential-satchel-war-df3c1e65cfd21f137fd2fc7e7d62ffab

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                          George K
                          wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 21:37 last edited by
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                          @89th said in Havana Syndrome:

                          always carried within a short distance from the President

                          Define "short."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            89th
                            wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 04:12 last edited by
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                            I'd imagine it's within a 1 minute walk at any point.

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                            • G George K
                              11 Jan 2025, 00:53

                              Who's running the country for the next ten days?

                              This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 15 Jan 2025, 11:21 last edited by
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                              @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                              This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                              I know America's important, but I'm pretty sure that's a fundamental force of nature.

                              I was only joking

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