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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

    In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

    In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

      In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

      In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

      https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

      https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

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      @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

      Researchers with the National Institutes of Health published a pair of studies on Monday that found few clinical differences between patients with a mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” and healthy comparison groups.

      In one study, NIH researchers took a closer look at the brains of people who were believed to have Havana syndrome and found no consistent evidence of brain injury and no significant differences between that group and a healthy comparison group.

      In the second study, scientists ran a battery of tests on 86 US government staff and family members who reported Havana syndrome, comparing them with 30 people who had similar jobs but had no such symptoms, and found that by most clinical and biomarker measures, the two groups were the same.

      https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816532?guestAccessKey=585c4d36-d78f-4f5c-90ec-06daf860fb3a&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

      https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2816533?guestAccessKey=35666cf7-62e5-46ec-83c9-f041972ebb03&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=031824

      I guess it's possible that this is like those cops who pass out due to fentanyl exposure?

      I was only joking

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      • George KG Offline
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        My only criticism is that the first study looked at MRI anatomical changes in the subjects.

        Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

        Same for the "biomarker" tests.

        D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          My only criticism is that the first study looked at MRI anatomical changes in the subjects.

          Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

          Same for the "biomarker" tests.

          D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

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          @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

          D2 still suffers from the residual of her COVID. Breathlessness, parosmia, etc. Chest X-ray, pulmonary functions, blood work all normal.

          How is her taste and smell? I remember you mentioning that it was quite bad for a long time.

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            60 Minutes did a followup of the story.

            Link to video

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              #15

              Surprised?

              Nope.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                A longer, deeper, dive into the investigation

                https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425?fbclid=IwAR1-zgaRCcqLVVdpvB_T7x6OhfjlmYYj19qk--yUS5Z_JPEbwSrFkBXVwNo_aem_AZQYf7CKFKxdJsl8DVO1IwTRB0AnJz_Gyc2BRcS1gVqyXzNJGen--RBvYS8LMQkT5eYN07YHr4TJ2dHejFEYgf5m

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

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                      @Mik said in Havana Syndrome:

                      Bomb Havana. But get all the cool old cars out first.

                      And the cigars.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Meh. The Dominicans are just as good. Cubans are like Coors used to be east of the Rockies.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            As any detective would ask, what is the motive for covering up? It is not like Cuba is our strategic partner or anything like that.

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                              Who's running the country for the next ten days?

                              This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Who's running the country for the next ten days?

                                This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

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                                @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                                This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                                That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                                I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

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                                  @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                                  This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                                  That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                                  I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

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                                  @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

                                  @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                                  This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                                  That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                                  I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

                                  The short answer is yes, the President is the SOLE person who can authorize the use of nukes. That being said, what really happens (he doesn't have a button, he doesn't have launch codes) is he asks/orders his senior officials to execute the order. Ultimately a number of senior officials and military individuals are involved in carrying it out. If the order was as you said above (i.e., asks for it out of the blue), I'd imagine there would be senior officials who would refuse the order.

                                  Some good articles, at least read the first bits...

                                  https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-06/features/nuclear-launch-authority-too-big-decision-just-president

                                  https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Articles/Article-Display/Article/3792833/worried-about-potus-nuclear-weapons-authorization-you-need-not-be-the-integrity/

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                                    @taiwan_girl said in Havana Syndrome:

                                    @George-K said in Havana Syndrome:

                                    This man is in charge of the nuclear force.

                                    That made me think. I would assume that there is some sort of "2 factor authentication" before anything could be done with our nuclear bombs, right?

                                    I dont think that the president could just say, "fire all the bombs at Russia" and it would be done?

                                    The short answer is yes, the President is the SOLE person who can authorize the use of nukes. That being said, what really happens (he doesn't have a button, he doesn't have launch codes) is he asks/orders his senior officials to execute the order. Ultimately a number of senior officials and military individuals are involved in carrying it out. If the order was as you said above (i.e., asks for it out of the blue), I'd imagine there would be senior officials who would refuse the order.

                                    Some good articles, at least read the first bits...

                                    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-06/features/nuclear-launch-authority-too-big-decision-just-president

                                    https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Articles/Article-Display/Article/3792833/worried-about-potus-nuclear-weapons-authorization-you-need-not-be-the-integrity/

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                                    @89th Interesting stuff. Thanks!

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @89th Interesting stuff. Thanks!

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                                      @taiwan_girl Sure thing! If you want to read a bit more, there is the "football" that is always carried within a short distance from the President. If you ever watch the President on the move, look closely and you'll always see some military person carrying the 45-pound leather bag.

                                      https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-football-presidential-satchel-war-df3c1e65cfd21f137fd2fc7e7d62ffab

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        @taiwan_girl Sure thing! If you want to read a bit more, there is the "football" that is always carried within a short distance from the President. If you ever watch the President on the move, look closely and you'll always see some military person carrying the 45-pound leather bag.

                                        https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-football-presidential-satchel-war-df3c1e65cfd21f137fd2fc7e7d62ffab

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                                        @89th said in Havana Syndrome:

                                        always carried within a short distance from the President

                                        Define "short."

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          I'd imagine it's within a 1 minute walk at any point.

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