Some numbers from Sweden
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 16:13 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 16:55 last edited by
Can you elaborate on the second bullet point?
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 16:58 last edited by
Saw a guy post two graphs next to each other...
First showed Sweden with Belgium, France, Italy, UK, Spain. Sweden looked awesome.
Second showed Sweden with Denmark, Finland, Norway. Sweden looked really bad.
The tweet said ‘beware people that show you only one of these graphs assuming you don’t know the other exists’
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:26 last edited by Horace
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html
The numbers are not yet in. Seems likely that Sweden has, if nothing else, front-loaded some deaths though. But their health system does not look like it's heading towards being overwhelmed.
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:43 last edited by
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:46 last edited by jon-nyc
No it isn’t.
What I’d like to know is to what extent Sweden is showing you can relax social distancing without blowing up too badly vs showing that Swedes will social distance pretty well without coercion (or without as much).
The former could be generalizable, the second is probably not applicable to, say, Florida Man or the knobheads protesting DeWine.
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:50 last edited by Horace
We need social shaming for not wearing a mask, and a feeling of normalcy for wearing one. I wonder if out-and-about Swedes are by and large wearing masks.
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.
wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 17:53 last edited by@Horace said in Some numbers from Sweden:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that link. It looks like someone from Sweden trying to keep the world from thinking that Sweden isn't taking the virus seriously. But it doesn't contradict the fact that Sweden has not implemented official measures as strict as its neighbors. That difference in official measures is not a myth.
I think that some people are under the impression that it's life as normal in Sweden, which is not the case. Yes, they're behaving differently from most other countries. To me, it looks like a very risky policy, but they could be proved right. It's also worth pointing out that there's a big difference in cultures from Sweden to, say, Florida, and so 'normality' is different.
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:19 last edited by
I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.
Am I missing something?
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:37 last edited by Horace
I gather that they think it's ok as long as the health care system is not overwhelmed. That strict quarantines do not eradicate the virus but only delay the infections, and the infections will have to be dealt with in any case, assuming no vaccine is forthcoming in the next several months.
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I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.
Am I missing something?
wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 18:39 last edited by@bachophile said in Some numbers from Sweden:
I look at the numbers from Sweden and see only one thing. Their number of deaths per million population is only about twenty times greater than the neighboring Scandinavians.
Am I missing something?
You could be missing the fact that it's possible that at the end of all this, they'll have the same number of deaths, concentrated into a shorter time period. It's all a bit theoretical for my liking.
Presumably, their economy isn't in the hole to the same extent. And no, I'm not saying it's a good idea.
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wrote on 28 Apr 2020, 21:40 last edited by
A number from Sweden
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:57 last edited by
'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...
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'The price you pay': Sweden's 'herd immunity' experiment backfires...
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:04 last edited by
Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:08 last edited by
I like how they got an epidemiologist to say "higher numbers of dead people are worse, see?". Thanks, epidemiologist! But actually as far as I'm aware Sweden was eyes wide open about that obvious aspect to their plan. It really doesn't matter what we as Americans think about it, I think it's clear that at least the swedes are not in open revolt to the plan. Which I respect.
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:26 last edited by
@mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:
Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol
Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.
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@mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:
Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol
Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.
wrote on 24 May 2020, 23:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Some numbers from Sweden:
@mark said in Some numbers from Sweden:
Conflicting data? Sat it ain't so! lol
Comes down to whether you think the appropriate comparisons are the other Nordic countries or US, France, Italy, and Spain.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 09:53 last edited by
Yeah. Here’s the latest graph with all the Nordic countries.
