Vaccination etiquette question
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If you are willing to go if everyone in the group is vaccinated, you are saying that you trust the vaccine to protect you.
If you then say that you will not go with unvaccinated people then you are saying you do not trust the vaccine.
Trust it or don't trust it.
The logic fails if you don't.
If you base the decision on an assumption that the vaccine helps, but isn't perfect, then at what point does it become an acceptable risk? Without real numbers (which don't exist) the decision is purely emotional.
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@copper I like your logic. But there's another factor. Meeting with vaccinated people vs. non-vaccinated alters the degree of desire he's experiencing to see the people. Maybe he's playing the odds -- taking a chance that having the vaccine on board lessens his likelihood of getting sick enough that he's willing to risk it.
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@mik said in Vaccination etiquette question:
I know several people who ridicule the vaccinated as sheep/lemmings/drones.
At the risk of being Ax, you could point out that lemmings have been completely unfairly represented in the media for decades based on a very bad wildlife documentary, and drones are used to bomb the shit out of bad people by 'murrica! You can say what you like about sheep of course, but if you want to keep it clean, mention that Jesus was called the lamb of God.
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@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Reading this thread I see why the GOP is losing the collar counties on big cities.
Suburban GOP voters are going bye bye.
Check out the latest Gallup poll on party identification. It has a long track record.
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Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
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Well, that's three of you against the massed ranks of something-or-other.
Galluping towards liberalism!
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No brainer.
Let the group vote. If they vote for everybody to attend, insist on some basic infection control stuff...
- Temp checks at the door.
- Social distancing, as much as possible.
- No buffet.
- Masking, as much as possible.
- Frequent hand sanitization.
At this time next year, there exists a likelihood one of your class will be dead. How bad do y'all want to see each other?
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@lufins-dad said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Have you missed the part where Copper is a retired white collar worker that lived in the burbs before retiring? Have you missed the fact that he has been vaccinated?
Have you missed the part where Horace is a white collar worker living in an extremely urban area?
Have you missed the part where I would generally be considered white collar, live in the burbs, and am planning on being vaccinated as well?
I see your point now. I wasn’t accusing anyone on this thread of such. I was saying that the party messaging on many topics is so out of touch it is being reflected in voting patterns and now even party identification.
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@loki Right now, I see very little masking in the rural areas and not much more in the city. Older folks do mask more, younger people almost none at all.
Either through infection, vaccination or just plain don't give a damn, people have voted with their feet to get on with life. They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
There are different "they"s. Some areas have more thoughtful communities than others.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
There are different "they"s. Some areas have more thoughtful communities than others.
Good. You live in the most thoughtful community of assholes in the world.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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You still see lots of masks here. Nobody goes into the supermarket without a mask on, and people wear them outside, which I generally don't bother with unless I'm likely to meet other people - the number of people around here who actually walk anywhere is vanishingly small (in numbers, not stature), so it typically isn't an issue.
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@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@aqua-letifer said in Vaccination etiquette question:
@jolly said in Vaccination etiquette question:
They look at the numbers between open states and more restrictive states, and don't see the numbers that make sense to continue extraordinary measures.
There are different "they"s. Some areas have more thoughtful communities than others.
Good. You live in the most thoughtful community of assholes in the world.
Not at all! I live in a very average community, mostly conservative-leaning. Masks here are about 50/50. In other areas outside of here, though, they're a lot more prevalent.
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Right now with the variants, particularly P1, even if you are vaccinated it is best to to continue to follow the masking, social distancing and hand washing protocols. I wouldn't even consider attending any function at which there are more than a half dozen people. Even then it would have to be outdoors and no shared food or buffet.
Too many unknowns whirling about these current variants for my whole trust in the vaccine.
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@89th said in Vaccination etiquette question:
Honestly if I’m vaccinated I don’t care if someone else is. It’s like...I’m wearing a seatbelt, if you don’t that’s on you. That being said, I think it’s reasonable to require vaccinations to attend.
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur and increasing the chance that it will be deadlier and/or render your current vaccine very significantly less effective.
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@loki said in Vaccination etiquette question:
The longer the virus is out there, the more mutations that will occur and increasing the chance that it will be deadlier and/or render your current vaccine very significantly less effective.
Good points. Beyond that there's also the whole, y'know, how much it would suck if someone more vulnerable were to get permanently fucked up or die because some unvaccinated jackass spread the disease around. Be kinda nice if there were some way that could be more or less prevented.
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And none of the vaccines are 100% effective.
So, it makes sense that if everybody is vaccinated, then the chances of catching it are much much smaller.
Every un- vaccinated person increases the odds of getting COVID by a little bit.
