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[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

What does “long haul” mean in this context?

Interstate commerce goods.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

[Jolly]

Secondly, I once put you on ignore for over a year.

It may be time to do so again.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

@axtremus said in By the mile:

@jolly said in By the mile:

Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

What does “long haul” mean in this context?
How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

Ok, time to go play with yourself.

I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway.

No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

I show you the holes in your so-called solutions.

[Renauda]

@mik said in By the mile:

But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

[Loki]

@renauda said in By the mile:

@mik said in By the mile:

But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

Bald tires more accidents and deaths? People hate taxes, it’s always the other guy who “should” pay.

[Renauda]

@loki

Then take public transit.

[LuFins Dad]

It’s still regressive. The gas tax, tire taxes, all hit the poor and lower middle class disproportionately harder than the upper middle class and the wealthy, especially post covid.

[LuFins Dad]

@renauda said in By the mile:

@loki

Then take public transit.

Good luck finding any kind of decent public transit in Perryopolis, Pennsylvania.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in By the mile:

@renauda said in By the mile:

@loki

Then take public transit.

Good luck finding any kind of decent public transit in Perryopolis, Pennsylvania.

What are you talking about? Dwayne will drive you anywhere you need to go, you just need to give him about a week's heads up. You need his landline number?

[Renauda]

@lufins-dad said in By the mile:

It’s still regressive. The gas tax, tire taxes, all hit the poor and lower middle class disproportionately harder than the upper middle class and the wealthy, especially post covid.

Am fully aware of that, however there is a cost to public infrastructure and its maintenance. The money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is taxpayers, citizens and industry alike. Either through income taxes, levies or consumption taxes.

The US has a great Interstate Highway system. It is worth the tax dollar investment to maintain and expand. Likewise I am sure there are also state and municipal roadways that are also worth the public investment as well.

[Mik]

Yep. Roads are damned convenient.

[LuFins Dad]

@renauda No doubt. As I posted earlier, infrastructure and roadways are absolutely one of the fundamental responsibilities of the Federal Government, and yes, they have to be paid for. I am also a big believer in consumption taxes, in general, but you can't value the impact of roads by miles driven. It just doesn't work. You want to use a consumption tax to pay for it? Ok, how about a .25% sales tax on every item or service provided in the United States? That's going to be more equitable than basing it off of miles driven. That would generate roughly $200 billion a year. The current transportation budget is $72 billion. I think nearly tripling would be enough to start some of these projects, and for the median income consumer, it would make a difference of $50 out of pocket over the course of the year.

[Renauda]

Why a Federal responsibility? Should public roadways not be shared by Federal and State governments? What about municipal roadways - some should be exclusively municipal others in partnership with state and possibly even federal funding grants.

[LuFins Dad]

@renauda said in By the mile:

Why a Federal responsibility? Should public roadways not be shared by Federal and State governments? What about municipal roadways - some should be exclusively municipal others in partnership with state and possibly even federal funding grants.

I'm not getting your question? Intrastate roadways already are and should be the responsibility of local and state authorities, interstate roadways are the responsibility of the federal government. I have no expectations of Uncle Sam paving the road in front of my house, but I do fully expect him to take care of 95. In a lot of cases, they will still use local crews... VDOT (Virginia Department of Transportation) will handle all of the work on 95 throughout VA, but the costs are covered by the FHWA.

Beyond that, building and maintaining roadways is a necessary part of the delegated powers given to the federal government: to regulate commerce, to declare war, to raise and maintain armed forces, and to establish a post office. These responsibilities are specifically laid out in the Constitution.