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  • J Jolly
    27 Mar 2021, 13:06

    @mik said in By the mile:

    But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

    Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 13:38 last edited by
    #17

    @jolly said in By the mile:

    Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

    How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

    J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 13:40
    • A Axtremus
      27 Mar 2021, 13:38

      @jolly said in By the mile:

      Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

      How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 13:40 last edited by
      #18

      @axtremus said in By the mile:

      @jolly said in By the mile:

      Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

      How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

      If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

      A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 13:46
      • J Jolly
        27 Mar 2021, 13:40

        @axtremus said in By the mile:

        @jolly said in By the mile:

        Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

        How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

        If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 13:46 last edited by
        #19

        @jolly said in By the mile:

        @axtremus said in By the mile:

        @jolly said in By the mile:

        Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

        How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

        If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

        OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

        What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

        J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 14:21
        • A Axtremus
          27 Mar 2021, 13:46

          @jolly said in By the mile:

          @axtremus said in By the mile:

          @jolly said in By the mile:

          Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

          How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

          If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

          OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

          What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

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          Jolly
          wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 14:21 last edited by
          #20

          @axtremus said in By the mile:

          @jolly said in By the mile:

          @axtremus said in By the mile:

          @jolly said in By the mile:

          Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

          How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

          If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

          OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

          What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

          Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

          A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 15:53
          • J Jolly
            27 Mar 2021, 14:21

            @axtremus said in By the mile:

            @jolly said in By the mile:

            @axtremus said in By the mile:

            @jolly said in By the mile:

            Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

            How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

            If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

            OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

            What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

            Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 15:53 last edited by
            #21

            @jolly said in By the mile:

            @axtremus said in By the mile:

            @jolly said in By the mile:

            @axtremus said in By the mile:

            @jolly said in By the mile:

            Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

            How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

            If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

            OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

            What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

            Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

            What does “long haul” mean in this context?
            How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
            A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

            J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 15:53
            • A Axtremus
              27 Mar 2021, 15:53

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              @axtremus said in By the mile:

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              @axtremus said in By the mile:

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

              How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

              If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

              OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

              What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

              Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

              What does “long haul” mean in this context?
              How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
              A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

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              Jolly
              wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 15:53 last edited by
              #22

              @axtremus said in By the mile:

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              @axtremus said in By the mile:

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              @axtremus said in By the mile:

              @jolly said in By the mile:

              Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

              How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

              If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

              OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

              What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

              Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

              What does “long haul” mean in this context?
              How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
              A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

              A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

              A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 15:56
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                Jolly
                wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 15:55 last edited by
                #23

                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                What does “long haul” mean in this context?

                Interstate commerce goods.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • J Jolly
                  27 Mar 2021, 15:53

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                  How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                  If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                  OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                  What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                  Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                  What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                  How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                  A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                  A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 15:56 last edited by
                  #24

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  @axtremus said in By the mile:

                  @jolly said in By the mile:

                  Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                  How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                  If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                  OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                  What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                  Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                  What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                  How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                  A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                  A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                  So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                  J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 15:57
                  • A Axtremus
                    27 Mar 2021, 15:56

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                    How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                    If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                    OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                    What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                    Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                    What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                    How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                    A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                    A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                    So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 15:57 last edited by
                    #25

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    @axtremus said in By the mile:

                    @jolly said in By the mile:

                    Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                    How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                    If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                    OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                    What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                    Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                    What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                    How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                    A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                    A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                    So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                    Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 16:01
                    • J Jolly
                      27 Mar 2021, 15:57

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                      How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                      If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                      OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                      What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                      Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                      What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                      How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                      A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                      A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                      So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                      Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:01 last edited by
                      #26

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      @axtremus said in By the mile:

                      @jolly said in By the mile:

                      Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                      How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                      If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                      OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                      What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                      Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                      What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                      How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                      A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                      A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                      So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                      Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                      Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                      Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                      J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 16:03
                      • A Axtremus
                        27 Mar 2021, 16:01

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                        How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                        If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                        OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                        What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                        Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                        What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                        How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                        A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                        A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                        So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                        Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                        Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                        Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:03 last edited by
                        #27

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        @axtremus said in By the mile:

                        @jolly said in By the mile:

                        Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                        How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                        If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                        OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                        What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                        Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                        What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                        How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                        A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                        A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                        So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                        Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                        Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                        Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                        Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 16:06
                        • J Jolly
                          27 Mar 2021, 16:03

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                          How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                          If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                          OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                          What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                          Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                          What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                          How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                          A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                          A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                          So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                          Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                          Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                          Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                          Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                          A Away
                          A Away
                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:06 last edited by
                          #28

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          @axtremus said in By the mile:

                          @jolly said in By the mile:

                          Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                          How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                          If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                          OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                          What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                          Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                          What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                          How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                          A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                          A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                          So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                          Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                          Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                          Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                          Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                          I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway. 🙂

                          J 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 16:13
                          • A Axtremus
                            27 Mar 2021, 16:06

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                            How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                            If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                            OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                            What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                            Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                            What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                            How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                            A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                            A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                            So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                            Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                            Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                            Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                            Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                            I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway. 🙂

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:13 last edited by
                            #29

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            @axtremus said in By the mile:

                            @jolly said in By the mile:

                            Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                            How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                            If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                            OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                            What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                            Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                            What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                            How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                            A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                            A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                            So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                            Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                            Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                            Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                            Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                            I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway. 🙂

                            No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                            A 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 16:32
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:13 last edited by
                              #30

                              Secondly, I once put you on ignore for over a year.

                              It may be time to do so again.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • J Jolly
                                27 Mar 2021, 16:13

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                                How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                                If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                                OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                                What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                                Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                                What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                                How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                                A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                                A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                                So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                                Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                                Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                                Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                                Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                                I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway. 🙂

                                No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

                                A Away
                                A Away
                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 16:32 last edited by
                                #31

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                @axtremus said in By the mile:

                                @jolly said in By the mile:

                                Create a special tax for electric vehicles, payable upon issuance of license tags and upon renewal of those tags.

                                How would you structure that tax? One time assessment or annual assessment? Flat tax, proportional to the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of assessment, proportional to weight of the vehicle, proportional to some other characteristics of the vehicle or the owner? Would like to know what principles you use to guide your thinking of said tax.

                                If it's licensed, that means the vehicle is on the road. If it is wrecked or junked, the license is not renewed. Tax is paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                                OK, paid upon issuance and on renewal of tags.

                                What amount to pay? The same amount for every one, every electric vehicle ("flat tax"), or different amounts depending on some attributes or characteristics of the vehicle and/or the owner?

                                Passenger/Delivery/Long Haul

                                What does “long haul” mean in this context?
                                How would you map those three categories to taxes (e.g., which category should pay more than the other)?
                                A sedan that seats four and a bus that seats 40 are both “passenger” vehicles. Would those two pay the same amount of tax in your proposal?

                                A bus is not a passenger vehicle. They aren't titled or tagged as such.

                                So what other category do you put the bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                                Depends. City bus or Greyhound?

                                Which category would you put the city bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?
                                Which category would you put a Greyhound bus in, “delivery” or “long haul”?

                                Ok, time to go play with yourself.

                                I’m doing you a solid trying to help you sharpen your critical thinking skills, my friend. I guess we have reached your limits for today. I hope you learnt something anyway. 🙂

                                No, I gave you a simple solution. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend simple.

                                I show you the holes in your so-called solutions.

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                                • MikM Mik
                                  27 Mar 2021, 03:39

                                  But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 17:15 last edited by
                                  #32

                                  @mik said in By the mile:

                                  But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

                                  Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

                                  Elbows up!

                                  L 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 17:18
                                  • RenaudaR Renauda
                                    27 Mar 2021, 17:15

                                    @mik said in By the mile:

                                    But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

                                    Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

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                                    Loki
                                    wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 17:18 last edited by Loki
                                    #33

                                    @renauda said in By the mile:

                                    @mik said in By the mile:

                                    But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

                                    Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

                                    Bald tires more accidents and deaths? People hate taxes, it’s always the other guy who “should” pay.

                                    RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 17:28
                                    • L Loki
                                      27 Mar 2021, 17:18

                                      @renauda said in By the mile:

                                      @mik said in By the mile:

                                      But Ax has a legitimate point. If gas taxes pretty much disappear, how do we fund the interstate and US highways?

                                      Here's a start. Vehicles regardless of how they are fueled require tires. A road tax on tires at point of sale.

                                      Bald tires more accidents and deaths? People hate taxes, it’s always the other guy who “should” pay.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 17:28 last edited by
                                      #34

                                      @loki

                                      Then take public transit.

                                      Elbows up!

                                      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 17:51
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 17:49 last edited by
                                        #35

                                        It’s still regressive. The gas tax, tire taxes, all hit the poor and lower middle class disproportionately harder than the upper middle class and the wealthy, especially post covid.

                                        The Brad

                                        RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply 27 Mar 2021, 18:31
                                        • RenaudaR Renauda
                                          27 Mar 2021, 17:28

                                          @loki

                                          Then take public transit.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 27 Mar 2021, 17:51 last edited by
                                          #36

                                          @renauda said in By the mile:

                                          @loki

                                          Then take public transit.

                                          Good luck finding any kind of decent public transit in Perryopolis, Pennsylvania.

                                          The Brad

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