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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @jolly

    Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?

    I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.

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    Jolly
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    #42

    @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

    @jolly

    Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?

    I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.

    The fact is, I could own a Sten legally. Or a Thompson. Or any number of automatic weapons. I have a friend who has a Boy's anti-tank rifle.

    You can't.

    I'm not even sure you could own an AR, if you wanted to.

    And no, I don't normally hunt with a semi-auto, but I have rolled three deer at one time with a SKS. But most of the time it's a Model 70 in .270

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

      @jolly

      Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?

      I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.

      The fact is, I could own a Sten legally. Or a Thompson. Or any number of automatic weapons. I have a friend who has a Boy's anti-tank rifle.

      You can't.

      I'm not even sure you could own an AR, if you wanted to.

      And no, I don't normally hunt with a semi-auto, but I have rolled three deer at one time with a SKS. But most of the time it's a Model 70 in .270

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #43

      @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

      You can't.

      You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

      In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

        You can't.

        You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

        In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

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        #44

        @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

        @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

        You can't.

        You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

        In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

        What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

          You can't.

          You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

          In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

          What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

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          #45

          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

          What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

          That doesn't happen anymore.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

            @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

            You can't.

            You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

            In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

            What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

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            xenon
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            #46

            @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

            @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

            @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

            You can't.

            You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

            In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

            What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

            The courts? But ultimately, the strength of democratic sentiment in your citizenry.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

              @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

              You can't.

              You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

              In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

              What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #47

              @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

              What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

              Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                You can't.

                You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.

                In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

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                taiwan_girl
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                @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

                Me too.

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                  What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                  Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #49

                  @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                  @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                  What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                  Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                  And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                  I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                    In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

                    Me too.

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                    Jolly
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                    #50

                    @taiwan_girl said in Boulder Shooting:

                    @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                    In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.

                    Me too.

                    All power emanates from the barrel of a gun.

                    I think it won't be too long, and the Chinese will prove that point. Again.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      #51

                      If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #52

                        @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                        If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.

                        Not necessarily.

                        Two reasons...

                        1. If it comes to that, there are enough weapons and enough variance in terrain to make Vietnam or Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic.
                        2. If it comes to that, I suspect the military will be fractured, and we all know who makes up most of the military. HINT: They didn't graduate from Berkley.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #53

                          I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #54

                            @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                            I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                            Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              Eh... I'm not as big on making sure that the citizenry is well-armed to defend itself from their own Government argument.

                              I am very big on limiting the influence and direct impact that the Government has on your individual lives and liberties.

                              I believe in requiring a license to own any firearm. I need to demonstrate maturity, knowledge, and skill to be licensed to drive a car. The same should apply to firearms. I also need to maintain the vehicle in a satisfactory and safe condition to legally be allowed to drive the vehicle, the same standards should be applied to firearms. I periodically need to renew my license to drive a vehicle, I have no qualms about the same with guns.

                              As for a waiting period...Not as fond of that. If you are licensed and it is currently up to date, then no waiting period should be necessary.

                              The Brad

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #56

                                @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                                I don't share your or Jefferson's cynical republican propensity at all. There's is a lot you obviously do not understand about the institutions and traditions of parliamentary governance.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                  I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                                  Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #57

                                  @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                  I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                                  Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

                                  How many times do we need to tell you?

                                  You. need. to. boil. the. freaking. water.

                                  Honestly, getting a decent cup around here is about as likely as a bunch of virgins-dressed-as-vikings overthrowing the government.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                    I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                                    Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

                                    How many times do we need to tell you?

                                    You. need. to. boil. the. freaking. water.

                                    Honestly, getting a decent cup around here is about as likely as a bunch of virgins-dressed-as-vikings overthrowing the government.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                    @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                    I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                                    Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

                                    How many times do we need to tell you?

                                    You. need. to. boil. the. freaking. water.

                                    Honestly, getting a decent cup around here is about as likely as a bunch of virgins-dressed-as-vikings overthrowing the government.

                                    Drink coffee. It's good for you.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                      Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                      And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                      I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                                      I don't share your or Jefferson's cynical republican propensity at all. There's is a lot you obviously do not understand about the institutions and traditions of parliamentary governance.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #59

                                      @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                      What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                      Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                      And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                      I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                                      I don't share your or Jefferson's cynical republican propensity at all. There's is a lot you obviously do not understand about the institutions and traditions of parliamentary governance.

                                      I admit, I'm no expert on parliamentary governance. But I think the observation still holds about men and power.

                                      Just look at what has happened in the U.S. post-Civil War.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                        @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                        @doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:

                                        I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.

                                        Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...

                                        How many times do we need to tell you?

                                        You. need. to. boil. the. freaking. water.

                                        Honestly, getting a decent cup around here is about as likely as a bunch of virgins-dressed-as-vikings overthrowing the government.

                                        Drink coffee. It's good for you.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by
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                                        @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                        Drink coffee. It's good for you.

                                        It makes me argumentative and irritable.

                                        Maybe if the yanks drank more tea.....

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                          Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                          And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                          I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                                          I don't share your or Jefferson's cynical republican propensity at all. There's is a lot you obviously do not understand about the institutions and traditions of parliamentary governance.

                                          I admit, I'm no expert on parliamentary governance. But I think the observation still holds about men and power.

                                          Just look at what has happened in the U.S. post-Civil War.

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                                          Renauda
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                                          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @renauda said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          @jolly said in Boulder Shooting:

                                          What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?

                                          Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".

                                          And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.

                                          I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...

                                          I don't share your or Jefferson's cynical republican propensity at all. There's is a lot you obviously do not understand about the institutions and traditions of parliamentary governance.

                                          I admit, I'm no expert on parliamentary governance. But I think the observation still holds about men and power.

                                          Just look at what has happened in the U.S. post-Civil War.

                                          Don't you think that it is kind of late to wish that your ancestors were less hot headed and waited until Dominion status was granted before embarking on the road to independence?

                                          Elbows up!

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