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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.That I had no doubt, but I still don't buy into it.
Personal firearms are ingrained into the national identity, regardless of what the 2 Amendment meant 250 years ago before there was a standing national army, smokeless powder and breach loading semi automatic weapons.
Besides these events are no longer mass shootings and murders. Merely trifling consequences and little more than 2nd Amendment tragedies.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.That I had no doubt, but I still don't buy into it.
Personal firearms are ingrained into the national identity, regardless of what the 2 Amendment meant 250 years ago before there was a standing national army, smokeless powder and breach loading semi automatic weapons.
Besides these events are no longer mass shootings and murders. Merely trifling consequences and little more than 2nd Amendment tragedies.
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.That I had no doubt, but I still don't buy into it.
Personal firearms are ingrained into the national identity, regardless of what the 2 Amendment meant 250 years ago before there was a standing national army, smokeless powder and breach loading semi automatic weapons.
Besides these events are no longer mass shootings and murders. Merely trifling consequences and little more than 2nd Amendment tragedies.
250 years ago, if I had wanted a cannon, the only question asked would be, "Where did you put it?" .
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.That I had no doubt, but I still don't buy into it.
Personal firearms are ingrained into the national identity, regardless of what the 2 Amendment meant 250 years ago before there was a standing national army, smokeless powder and breach loading semi automatic weapons.
Besides these events are no longer mass shootings and murders. Merely trifling consequences and little more than 2nd Amendment tragedies.
250 years ago, if I had wanted a cannon, the only question asked would be, "Where did you put it?" .
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@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Can't answer that question without being accused of racism.
@lufins-dad said in Boulder Shooting:
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Can't answer that question without being accused of racism.
I was thinking more along the lines that your cheese is a bit shit.
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Indeed, it may have to be commandeered into state militia service.
Did I ever tell you I used to own a Sten?
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Indeed, it may have to be commandeered into state militia service.
Did I ever tell you I used to own a Sten?
Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?
I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.
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Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?
I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?
I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.
The fact is, I could own a Sten legally. Or a Thompson. Or any number of automatic weapons. I have a friend who has a Boy's anti-tank rifle.
You can't.
I'm not even sure you could own an AR, if you wanted to.
And no, I don't normally hunt with a semi-auto, but I have rolled three deer at one time with a SKS. But most of the time it's a Model 70 in .270
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Did I ever tell you I received my Reservist rifle training on an FNC2?
I could care less whether you owned a plumber's nightmare legally or illegally. After my reservist years my preference for weapons was always Marlin levers in either .444 or 45/70 - given the bush and close range moose and bear hunting around here. No need or use for semi auto hunting weapons.
The fact is, I could own a Sten legally. Or a Thompson. Or any number of automatic weapons. I have a friend who has a Boy's anti-tank rifle.
You can't.
I'm not even sure you could own an AR, if you wanted to.
And no, I don't normally hunt with a semi-auto, but I have rolled three deer at one time with a SKS. But most of the time it's a Model 70 in .270
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
Elbows up!
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
The courts? But ultimately, the strength of democratic sentiment in your citizenry.
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".
Elbows up!
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
You can't.
You are correct, I cannot legally own an automatic weapon. Soon, semi-auto military style weapons like the AR will also be restricted if not outright prohibited. And nor is it an issue for me either.
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
Me too.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
What is your (collective your) defense against a repressive and tyrannical government?
Parliamentary governance reinforced by robust institutions supporting that constitutional tradition. In short, "peace, order and good government".
And how long does that last? It is the natural propensity for power to consolidate, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Man seems not to be able to help himself.
I think Jefferson was right, in his view about an occasional revolution...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
Me too.
@taiwan_girl said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
In fact, the right of firearm ownership does not even enter into my definition or measurement of freedom and liberty. And to be perfectly frank, nor should it in my opinion.
Me too.
All power emanates from the barrel of a gun.
I think it won't be too long, and the Chinese will prove that point. Again.
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If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.
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If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
If you chaps ever start trying to shoot at your government with your AR-15 collections, you're going to get so fucked.
Not necessarily.
Two reasons...
- If it comes to that, there are enough weapons and enough variance in terrain to make Vietnam or Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic.
- If it comes to that, I suspect the military will be fractured, and we all know who makes up most of the military. HINT: They didn't graduate from Berkley.
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I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.
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I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
I don't really understand the fascination so many Americans seem to have with this weird fantasy. If they want to go and live in a cave, they can just do it, they don't need a war.
Perhaps it started when we were chunking tea into Boston Harbor...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Eh... I'm not as big on making sure that the citizenry is well-armed to defend itself from their own Government argument.
I am very big on limiting the influence and direct impact that the Government has on your individual lives and liberties.
I believe in requiring a license to own any firearm. I need to demonstrate maturity, knowledge, and skill to be licensed to drive a car. The same should apply to firearms. I also need to maintain the vehicle in a satisfactory and safe condition to legally be allowed to drive the vehicle, the same standards should be applied to firearms. I periodically need to renew my license to drive a vehicle, I have no qualms about the same with guns.
As for a waiting period...Not as fond of that. If you are licensed and it is currently up to date, then no waiting period should be necessary.
