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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
"Police have not confirmed a motive. The suspect faces 10 counts of murder.....
The suspect has been named as 21-year-old Ahmad Alissa."Judging by the suspect's name the motive was probably based on religious fanaticism or some superstition derived from religious belief or he is a nutter who shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place. Maybe all of the above.
Well, if they are Muslim, it doesn't fit the narrative...
It fits a different narrative pretty well. "Any time a muslim kills a load of rando's, he's a terrorist. Any time a white guy does it, he's suffering from mental illness."
Proud supporter of Plan 2525.
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@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
"Police have not confirmed a motive. The suspect faces 10 counts of murder.....
The suspect has been named as 21-year-old Ahmad Alissa."Judging by the suspect's name the motive was probably based on religious fanaticism or some superstition derived from religious belief or he is a nutter who shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place. Maybe all of the above.
Well, if they are Muslim, it doesn't fit the narrative...
It fits a different narrative pretty well. "Any time a muslim kills people, he's a terrorist. Any time a white guy does it, he's suffering from mental illness."
Nah, I think you're behind the times. Things have changed. Terrorists are now domestic white supremacists. Muslims are a group of people that are mostly peace-loving and oppressed by Zionists....
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It all depends on which particular bunch of bigots you listen to.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
"Police have not confirmed a motive. The suspect faces 10 counts of murder.....
The suspect has been named as 21-year-old Ahmad Alissa."Judging by the suspect's name the motive was probably based on religious fanaticism or some superstition derived from religious belief or he is a nutter who shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place. Maybe all of the above.
Well, if they are Muslim, it doesn't fit the narrative...
But then again, maybe none of the above.
What narrative might that be?
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@loki said in Boulder Shooting:
Read two articles this afternoon that suggest racism against him made him an angry and paranoid person. So I can breathe safely again knowing white supremacy domestic terrorism with a twist is the cause.
Also Trump. This guy clearly was infuriated by that orange demon the racists elected. This sort of retribution, while regrettable, is also completely inevitable if we're going to elect someone like Trump. This blood is on the hands of Trump supporters.
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@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
If there's a shooting and the shooter is white:
Side 1: "Yes!"
Side 2: groanIf the shooter is not white, switch reactions.
I dunno. Side 1 is throwing parties, er, rallies, over factually false, totally fabricated motivations of the murderer. Side 2 has factual motivations on their side (presumably, in this case,) but still doesn't throw parties to celebrate the confirmation of their biases.
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Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
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@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
I am entirely convinced of that.
But I don't really think the right is as bloodthirsty in their desire to see Islamic violence as the left is in its desire to see "white supremacy" violence.
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@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
I made a call to Boulder to check in on someone. It was real to me and these tragedies are awful.
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Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
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@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Freedom.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion.
