Boulder Shooting
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If there's a shooting and the shooter is white:
Side 1: "Yes!"
Side 2: groanIf the shooter is not white, switch reactions.
@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
If there's a shooting and the shooter is white:
Side 1: "Yes!"
Side 2: groanIf the shooter is not white, switch reactions.
I dunno. Side 1 is throwing parties, er, rallies, over factually false, totally fabricated motivations of the murderer. Side 2 has factual motivations on their side (presumably, in this case,) but still doesn't throw parties to celebrate the confirmation of their biases.
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Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
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Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
I am entirely convinced of that.
But I don't really think the right is as bloodthirsty in their desire to see Islamic violence as the left is in its desire to see "white supremacy" violence.
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Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
@xenon said in Boulder Shooting:
Call me cruel, but I can't really process the human tragedy in these sort of events anymore.
It's too frequent. It blends into life's many unfairnesses that kill people everyday (child starvation, cancer, car crashes, etc.)
You aggregate those up, and they're big numbers every day. But people don't stop and think about the daily tragedy since they're commonplace and unavoidable.
I think for many - the narrative value of these things are much more real for their life than the sadness.
I made a call to Boulder to check in on someone. It was real to me and these tragedies are awful.
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Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
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Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
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@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
I was only joking
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Freedom.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Freedom.
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Freedom.
And yet you have repeatedly claimed that the election was stolen from you, and have elections that are roughly as free as those of Venezuela.
And yet you have the law of Eminent Domain.
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
You've repeatedly said the election was not free or fair, and that the person who should have won, didn't.
So you're not free. You're living under tyranny.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
You've repeatedly said the election was not free or fair, and that the person who should have won, didn't.
So you're not free. You're living under tyranny.
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
You've repeatedly said the election was not free or fair, and that the person who should have won, didn't.
So you're not free. You're living under tyranny.
I've also said a civil war/revolution is coming.
I also believe that.
And it will be fought over freedom, among other issues.
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@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
@catseye3 said in Boulder Shooting:
Frank Bruni: "Eight dead in Atlanta. Ten dead in Boulder, Colo.
"Is this what returning to life as usual in America means?
"The Democratic majority leader of the Colorado State Senate, Stephen Fenberg, suggested as much, and I’m not taking issue with it or him. Quite the opposite. He’s gut-wrenchingly right, and his words, like every one of those 18 victims, should give us enormous pause and fill us with even more shame."
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^He makes a good point, except for the last bit. I don't feel personal shame about it. I don't feel shame when some brainshriek posts an opinion about Trump's dickishness and then goes, "So I think I'll go kill a bunch of people".
I'm not sure what I should feel instead. Outrage has become humdrum, sussing the underpinnings is too hard . . . I don't know. But shame isn't the way. I got enough of that shit in the years 2017 to 2021. It doesn't feel good, and it is nonproductive.
Rats in a cage and non-conforming rats, at that. Mentally unstable rats.
Did you know there are more people killed by knives in America every year, than by rifles? Black rifles make good news, though.
There are things we can do to address the problem, but nobody wants to work on the root causes.
The vast majority of killings are by handguns.
Rifles seem to work better for mass shootings, as well as for getting headlines.
The overall homicide rate in the US is significantly higher than those of other 'similar' western countries.
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Can't answer that question without being accused of racism.
The Brad
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@doctor-phibes said in Boulder Shooting:
So, a key question has to be, what does America do differently from those other countries?
Can't answer that question without being accused of racism.
@lufins-dad said in Boulder Shooting:
Can't answer that question without being accused of racism.
That's a really good response to almost any question you don't want to answer. I'll file it for future reference.
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@renauda said in Boulder Shooting:
Not buying it, Jolly. Not buying it anymore.
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.
Now, take that simple fact and work with it. There are ways to decrease gun violence without onerous gun control policies.
But, to throw you some red meat...I would rather live in a free society with its consequences, than live in a safe society without abundant freedom.
@jolly said in Boulder Shooting:
I do.
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.That I had no doubt, but I still don't buy into it.
Personal firearms are ingrained into the national identity, regardless of what the 2 Amendment meant 250 years ago before there was a standing national army, smokeless powder and breach loading semi automatic weapons.
Besides these events are no longer mass shootings and murders. Merely trifling consequences and little more than 2nd Amendment tragedies.
