Third Wave Here?
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Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:
"There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."
Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."
The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:
@renauda said in Third Wave Here?:
Nope, not Slick Willy.
It was none other than Dubya....Yup, Scooby, we've got work to do when it comes to selecting good leaders.
Whenever I ask myself who was our GOAT president, try though I might, I can never avoid picking George Washington.
He was definitely the greatest of all time for an 8 year period.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
Whenever I ask myself who was our GOAT president, try though I might, I can never avoid picking George Washington.
He was definitely the greatest of all time for an 8 year period.
Yes. I agree with that assessment. That's the trouble. By 'trying to avoid', I meant I despairingly wish I could pick somebody else, preferably someone closer to our time.
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Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:
"There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."
Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."
The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".
@catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:
Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:
"There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."
Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."
The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".
If you ever work with people who are hungry for power, it doesn't take long to realise that there's frequently something wrong with them.
I was only joking
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
All you people who never listen to him are totally confident that he's a spittle flecked rabble rouser.
So he doesn't call people stupid?
I am sure he has called people stupid.
On the other hand, in a video of a monologue posted here yesterday, he was careful to understand and not judge those who attempt to come to America illegally from countries with much more difficult circumstances. You should listen to that one. He blames the politics of effectively open borders of the left, but not those who quite rationally take advantage of those politics, to better the lives of their families.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
All you people who never listen to him are totally confident that he's a spittle flecked rabble rouser.
So he doesn't call people stupid?
I am sure he has called people stupid.
On the other hand, in a video of a monologue posted here yesterday, he was careful to understand and not judge those who attempt to come to America illegally from countries with much more difficult circumstances. You should listen to that one. He blames the politics of effectively open borders of the left, but not those who quite rationally take advantage of those politics, to better the lives of their families.
I like Tucker. Yes, he has a tv show and yes, he wants to draw viewers. But he tends to have a reasoned argument and he will excoriate conservatives when he feels they are wrong on an issue.
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@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
All you people who never listen to him are totally confident that he's a spittle flecked rabble rouser.
So he doesn't call people stupid?
I am sure he has called people stupid.
On the other hand, in a video of a monologue posted here yesterday, he was careful to understand and not judge those who attempt to come to America illegally from countries with much more difficult circumstances. You should listen to that one. He blames the politics of effectively open borders of the left, but not those who quite rationally take advantage of those politics, to better the lives of their families.
I appreciate that you really like him, but I've seen a couple of these monologues, and they're not really saying anything particularly profound. Obviously, the issue of illegal immigration is a very difficult one, and many of those trying to come into the US and other countries can hardly be blamed for seeking a new life. As an aside, I found the anti-Mexican and immigrant rhetoric that Trump used in his 2016 campaign to be extremely unpleasant - describing them as 'rapists, murderers, and presumably some good people' was appalling. Again, many seem to disagree, but I thought he was pandering to bigots.
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
All you people who never listen to him are totally confident that he's a spittle flecked rabble rouser.
So he doesn't call people stupid?
I am sure he has called people stupid.
On the other hand, in a video of a monologue posted here yesterday, he was careful to understand and not judge those who attempt to come to America illegally from countries with much more difficult circumstances. You should listen to that one. He blames the politics of effectively open borders of the left, but not those who quite rationally take advantage of those politics, to better the lives of their families.
I appreciate that you really like him, but I've seen a couple of these monologues, and they're not really saying anything particularly profound.
Well, I don't expect you to find profundity in anything other than jazz music. But political talk doesn't have to be profound to serve a purpose. In the case of conservative talk, they can state relatively obvious things that don't get stated by those indoctrinated by the left. It's refreshing to hear.
Obviously, the issue of illegal immigration is a very difficult one, and many of those trying to come into the US and other countries can hardly be blamed for seeking a new life. As an aside, I found the anti-Mexican and immigrant rhetoric that Trump used in his 2016 campaign to be extremely unpleasant - describing them as 'rapists, murderers, and presumably some good people' was appalling. Again, many seem to disagree, but I thought he was pandering to bigots.
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
All you people who never listen to him are totally confident that he's a spittle flecked rabble rouser.
So he doesn't call people stupid?
I am sure he has called people stupid.
On the other hand, in a video of a monologue posted here yesterday, he was careful to understand and not judge those who attempt to come to America illegally from countries with much more difficult circumstances. You should listen to that one. He blames the politics of effectively open borders of the left, but not those who quite rationally take advantage of those politics, to better the lives of their families.
I appreciate that you really like him, but I've seen a couple of these monologues, and they're not really saying anything particularly profound.
Well, I don't expect you to find profundity in anything other than jazz music. But political talk doesn't have to be profound to serve a purpose. In the case of conservative talk, they can state relatively obvious things that don't get stated by those indoctrinated by the left. It's refreshing to hear.
Obviously, the issue of illegal immigration is a very difficult one, and many of those trying to come into the US and other countries can hardly be blamed for seeking a new life. As an aside, I found the anti-Mexican and immigrant rhetoric that Trump used in his 2016 campaign to be extremely unpleasant - describing them as 'rapists, murderers, and presumably some good people' was appalling. Again, many seem to disagree, but I thought he was pandering to bigots.
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
I was only joking
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@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.
Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.
Please love yourself.
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@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.
I was only joking
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.
Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.
@aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.
Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.
I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.
Education is extremely important.
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I didn't realise you had a culture
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@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.
I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.
Education is extremely important.
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@aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.
I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.
Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.
I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.
Eh, I'm more of a classical lefty, and I'd say that the modern left is clearly the more dangerous. But the right has a growing subset, and I don't think it's very good. They'd do well to stay away from the nasty undertones the left so often employs in their own messaging.
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.
I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@horace said in Third Wave Here?:
As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.
No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.
I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.
I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.
Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.
No, I wasn't describing his supporters. I was describing the people who voted for him. That's not the same thing.
I believe that people who actively thought he was a great man, rather than those who held their nose and voted, are very wrong, for whatever reason.
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Mr. Trump had a history of impolite behavior going back decades.
Who could like that?
But his bad behavior was trivial compared to Ms. Clinton.
End of analysis of why correctly people voted for Mr. Trump.
No other inference needs to be made about the people who voted for him.
Although he did have some terrific policies.
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@catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:
Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:
"There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."
Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."
The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".
If you ever work with people who are hungry for power, it doesn't take long to realise that there's frequently something wrong with them.
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:
Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:
"There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."
Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."
The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".
If you ever work with people who are hungry for power, it doesn't take long to realise that there's frequently something wrong with them.
Yep, there was a recent article that said that most CEO of large company were "sociopaths". It kind of made the connection to government leaders also.
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@copper said in Third Wave Here?:
some have greatness thrust upon them
If that happened to me, I'd go to HR.
