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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

    And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.

    I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.

    Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.

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    Horace
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    #110

    @aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:

    @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

    And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.

    I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.

    Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.

    I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by
      #111

      I didn't realise you had a culture šŸ˜€

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

        @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

        @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

        As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.

        No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

        Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.

        I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.

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        #112

        @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

        @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

        @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

        @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

        As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.

        No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

        Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.

        I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.

        I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

        Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:

          @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

          And those who have sung his praises as being a truly great president (I'm not talking about you, Horace) clearly looked away a lot harder than some others.

          I think the story for a lot of Trumpists is that all politicians are exactly that bad, so it's a wash anyway.

          Which isn't true. However you want to label January 6, his actions at the time are unique to Trump. No other modern president has ever done something like that.

          I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #113

          @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

          I agree. And I'm all for not shrugging away all political differences with some inane "both sides are equal and opposite garbage" idea. That's why I like to ask people which political side is currently more destructive of America and its culture, the left, or the right? Asking left-leaning people that question after Trump left office is like pulling teeth. Right-leaning people seem to have an answer ready.

          Eh, I'm more of a classical lefty, and I'd say that the modern left is clearly the more dangerous. But the right has a growing subset, and I don't think it's very good. They'd do well to stay away from the nasty undertones the left so often employs in their own messaging.

          Please love yourself.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

            @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

            @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

            @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

            As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.

            No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

            Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.

            I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.

            I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

            Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #114

            @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

            @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

            @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

            @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

            @horace said in Third Wave Here?:

            As usual, you're conflating voting for him or supporting him with agreeing with everything he says. I didn't like that rhetoric either, but I still supported him within the context of choosing between two candidates.

            No, I'm not. I thought he was pandering to racists. I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

            Deciding that one candidate is preferable to the other is how elections work. And making horrible assumptions about the personal character of those who preferred Trump, is how the left works.

            I just said I don't think the people who voted for him were bad. And I'm of the left, just not the left as you define it.

            I don't think everybody who voted for him was a racist, or a bad person. I just think they chose to look the other way regarding his more disgusting personality traits, or decided that he was preferable to Hilary Clinton.

            Right, you added the "or" clause there, so it became a totally innocuous description of Trump supporters.

            No, I wasn't describing his supporters. I was describing the people who voted for him. That's not the same thing.

            I believe that people who actively thought he was a great man, rather than those who held their nose and voted, are very wrong, for whatever reason.

            I was only joking

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              Copper
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              #115

              Mr. Trump had a history of impolite behavior going back decades.

              Who could like that?

              But his bad behavior was trivial compared to Ms. Clinton.

              End of analysis of why correctly people voted for Mr. Trump.

              No other inference needs to be made about the people who voted for him.

              Although he did have some terrific policies.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:

                Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:

                "There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."

                Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."

                The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".

                If you ever work with people who are hungry for power, it doesn't take long to realise that there's frequently something wrong with them.

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                taiwan_girl
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                @doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:

                @catseye3 said in Third Wave Here?:

                Excerpt from my Stoics newsletter:

                "There were not many good emperors in Rome. There have not been many good kings since. In fact, there haven’t been many good leaders ever—there is something about power that seems to bring out the worst in people. It seems to be a light which destroys the moths that are drawn to it."

                Suetonius: "[P]ower unmasks the true identity of leaders. It brings to light weaknesses that were there all along but might have been overlooked."

                The title of the above essay is "Power Doesn't Corrupt, It Reveals".

                If you ever work with people who are hungry for power, it doesn't take long to realise that there's frequently something wrong with them.

                Yep, there was a recent article that said that most CEO of large company were "sociopaths". It kind of made the connection to government leaders also.

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                  Copper
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                  #117

                  some have greatness thrust upon them

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    some have greatness thrust upon them

                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #118

                    @copper said in Third Wave Here?:

                    some have greatness thrust upon them

                    If that happened to me, I'd go to HR.

                    I was only joking

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Copper
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                        #120

                        Define a "little longer"

                        Is this more or less than flatten the curve?

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #121

                          That was the most confusing bullshit I've heard out of the CDC yet. "Impending doom'? Inspirational. But it's OK for kids to go back to school at 3 feet.

                          Did you also notice who is tweeting? Joe B. Yeah, I know, it's not really him, but still....wouldn't you think that after all the criticism of Trump for it he'd stay away from Twitter?

                          ā€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.ā€ ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
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                            #122

                            Interesting that Brazil is still lower in per-capita deaths tha the UK was about 3 months ago. But the trajectory is very disturbing. Look at how well the UK is doing now - vaccinations, presumably.

                            Brazil has vaccinated 1.8% of its population.

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              The British approach of giving almost everybody the first vaccination, even it means delaying the booster, seems to have worked, at least for now.

                              I was only joking

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