Third Wave Here?
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 19:01 last edited by brenda
Had my first injection of Moderna on Thursday afternoon, and today (Sunday) my temp has finally started to come down. It was elevated to around 100F, while taking Advil, until this morning, and now it's around 99.5, just enough to make a person feel wonky. Aches are not as bad, as long as I take some ibuprofen. Fatigue is finally somewhat less. Chest tightness is almost gone, too. These represent a milder version of symptoms I had in February of 2020.
Several recent news articles have said those who had the virus will get a stronger reaction to the first dose, similar to what others will see at their second dose. It makes me think my mystery illness from Feb '20 really was COVID, as Jolly and others noted in a prior thread.
I think you were right. Put a gold star on the calendar for yourself to note this. LOL
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@jolly said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
If we got the vaccines earlier this would not even be an article. But now that we have the President we want we won’t even hypothesize on blame.
Hush. There is no cause to be concerned about media bias.
I read that here on this board...
It isn't a problem.
Or rather, it's precisely the same level of problem as "inherent bias" and misinformation in Coke commercials. And getting high blood pressure over the former is just as silly as doing the same for the latter. The news isn't the news anymore and only the media illiterate (and those who already want to believe the narrative) are getting duped. Which, by my estimation, isn't as many people as you're implying. Most folks I know on both sides of the political spectrum roll their eyes at anything coming out of mainstream media.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 19:45 last edited by Jolly@aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:
@jolly said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
If we got the vaccines earlier this would not even be an article. But now that we have the President we want we won’t even hypothesize on blame.
Hush. There is no cause to be concerned about media bias.
I read that here on this board...
It isn't a problem.
Or rather, it's precisely the same level of problem as "inherent bias" and misinformation in Coke commercials. And getting high blood pressure over the former is just as silly as doing the same for the latter. The news isn't the news anymore and only the media illiterate (and those who already want to believe the narrative) are getting duped. Which, by my estimation, isn't as many people as you're implying. Most folks I know on both sides of the political spectrum roll their eyes at anything coming out of mainstream media.
I respectfully disagree.
Most people's lives are too busy too notice the bias that permeates media. And since that media is overwhelmingly made up of people who are Dem voters (and hence more Leftist) the vast bulk of the narrative is from a single viewpoint.
So it doesn't matter if your news view is shaped by tv news, radio news, or podcasts, when viewed in toto as a single megaphone, the information is constantly slanted and fits a single narrative.
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Had my first injection of Moderna on Thursday afternoon, and today (Sunday) my temp has finally started to come down. It was elevated to around 100F, while taking Advil, until this morning, and now it's around 99.5, just enough to make a person feel wonky. Aches are not as bad, as long as I take some ibuprofen. Fatigue is finally somewhat less. Chest tightness is almost gone, too. These represent a milder version of symptoms I had in February of 2020.
Several recent news articles have said those who had the virus will get a stronger reaction to the first dose, similar to what others will see at their second dose. It makes me think my mystery illness from Feb '20 really was COVID, as Jolly and others noted in a prior thread.
I think you were right. Put a gold star on the calendar for yourself to note this. LOL
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 21:20 last edited by@brenda said in Third Wave Here?:
Had my first injection of Moderna on Thursday afternoon, and today (Sunday) my temp has finally started to come down. It was elevated to around 100F, while taking Advil, until this morning, and now it's around 99.5, just enough to make a person feel wonky. Aches are not as bad, as long as I take some ibuprofen. Fatigue is finally somewhat less. Chest tightness is almost gone, too. These represent a milder version of symptoms I had in February of 2020.
Several recent news articles have said those who had the virus will get a stronger reaction to the first dose, similar to what others will see at their second dose. It makes me think my mystery illness from Feb '20 really was COVID, as Jolly and others noted in a prior thread.
I think you were right. Put a gold star on the calendar for yourself to note this. LOL
That is similar to my reaction to the first Moderna shot, and I had the virus
Second shot will be 4/1
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You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 22:18 last edited by@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
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@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 22:57 last edited by@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed?
Zero dollars and zero cents.
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@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 23:00 last edited by@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
Yes, let's have more people die and come down with permanent complications because Loki doesn't like taxes.
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@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
Yes, let's have more people die and come down with permanent complications because Loki doesn't like taxes.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 23:04 last edited by Loki@aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
Yes, let's have more people die and come down with permanent complications because Loki doesn't like taxes.
Haha. I’m just saying when people see the bill there are going to be some pretty lively conversations about who pays. Lives saved will long be forgotten, because if that were the real issue we would have double the vaccinated by now. I’m patient, and I can almost write the future headlines.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 23:11 last edited by
With the some 6T that’s already been thrown at this? Irrelevant.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 23:15 last edited by
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
With the some 6T that’s already been thrown at this? Irrelevant.
Free education, free healthcare, reparations, environmental regulations are up next. That’s a lot of fiat money.
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@aqua-letifer said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
Yes, let's have more people die and come down with permanent complications because Loki doesn't like taxes.
Haha. I’m just saying when people see the bill there are going to be some pretty lively conversations about who pays. Lives saved will long be forgotten, because if that were the real issue we would have double the vaccinated by now. I’m patient, and I can almost write the future headlines.
wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 23:29 last edited by@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
Lives saved will long be forgotten, because if that were the real issue
Well, it is for me, so I don't care what they raise it to.
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@brenda said in Third Wave Here?:
Had my first injection of Moderna on Thursday afternoon, and today (Sunday) my temp has finally started to come down. It was elevated to around 100F, while taking Advil, until this morning, and now it's around 99.5, just enough to make a person feel wonky. Aches are not as bad, as long as I take some ibuprofen. Fatigue is finally somewhat less. Chest tightness is almost gone, too. These represent a milder version of symptoms I had in February of 2020.
Several recent news articles have said those who had the virus will get a stronger reaction to the first dose, similar to what others will see at their second dose. It makes me think my mystery illness from Feb '20 really was COVID, as Jolly and others noted in a prior thread.
I think you were right. Put a gold star on the calendar for yourself to note this. LOL
That is similar to my reaction to the first Moderna shot, and I had the virus
Second shot will be 4/1
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@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
wrote on 22 Mar 2021, 22:53 last edited by@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
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@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
wrote on 22 Mar 2021, 22:58 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
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@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
wrote on 22 Mar 2021, 23:17 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)I assure you it is not just the US. Plenty of those people here as well.
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@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 01:35 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
A good word or a bad word?
After a year there is still no concept of a limit or a goal.
There is no way to measure the harm caused by the pandemic, and no way to measure the harm caused to closed businesses and no way to measure the harm caused to children with no social contact.
Just insults
Wear a mask or be stupid
Why? What is the goal? Are we getting closer to the goal? Does them mask really do anything?
All great questions, there is a word for those people with the sense to question the idiots and it is not an insult.
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wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 05:40 last edited by Renauda
I know what the goal is where I live.
I also support it and follow the public health directives accordingly. In fact I probably exercise more caution than is even asked of me.
I know a few people who question the directives and broadcast their dissenting voice far and wide. Some even say the whole pandemic is a fraud and is not really happening. I have a gerund and noun combination for them and have said it to their face. Yes, it was insulting. I really don't care if they ever speak to me again. They are dead to me.
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I know what the goal is where I live.
I also support it and follow the public health directives accordingly. In fact I probably exercise more caution than is even asked of me.
I know a few people who question the directives and broadcast their dissenting voice far and wide. Some even say the whole pandemic is a fraud and is not really happening. I have a gerund and noun combination for them and have said it to their face. Yes, it was insulting. I really don't care if they ever speak to me again. They are dead to me.
wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 09:18 last edited by@renauda said in Third Wave Here?:
I know what the goal is where I live.
I also support it and follow the public health directives accordingly. In fact I probably exercise more caution than is even asked of me.
I know a few people who question the directives and broadcast their dissenting voice far and wide. Some even say the whole pandemic is a fraud and is not really happening. I have a gerund and noun combination for them and have said it to their face. Yes, it was insulting. I really don't care if they ever speak to me again. They are dead to me.
So, what is the goal where you live?
Secondly, what if the goal cannot be reached?
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@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
A good word or a bad word?
After a year there is still no concept of a limit or a goal.
There is no way to measure the harm caused by the pandemic, and no way to measure the harm caused to closed businesses and no way to measure the harm caused to children with no social contact.
Just insults
Wear a mask or be stupid
Why? What is the goal? Are we getting closer to the goal? Does them mask really do anything?
All great questions, there is a word for those people with the sense to question the idiots and it is not an insult.
wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 11:12 last edited by@copper said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
A good word or a bad word?
After a year there is still no concept of a limit or a goal.
There is no way to measure the harm caused by the pandemic, and no way to measure the harm caused to closed businesses and no way to measure the harm caused to children with no social contact.
Just insults
Wear a mask or be stupid
Why? What is the goal? Are we getting closer to the goal? Does them mask really do anything?
All great questions, there is a word for those people with the sense to question the idiots and it is not an insult.
Whatever.
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@renauda said in Third Wave Here?:
I know what the goal is where I live.
I also support it and follow the public health directives accordingly. In fact I probably exercise more caution than is even asked of me.
I know a few people who question the directives and broadcast their dissenting voice far and wide. Some even say the whole pandemic is a fraud and is not really happening. I have a gerund and noun combination for them and have said it to their face. Yes, it was insulting. I really don't care if they ever speak to me again. They are dead to me.
So, what is the goal where you live?
Secondly, what if the goal cannot be reached?
wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 13:31 last edited by@jolly said in Third Wave Here?:
@renauda said in Third Wave Here?:
I know what the goal is where I live.
I also support it and follow the public health directives accordingly. In fact I probably exercise more caution than is even asked of me.
I know a few people who question the directives and broadcast their dissenting voice far and wide. Some even say the whole pandemic is a fraud and is not really happening. I have a gerund and noun combination for them and have said it to their face. Yes, it was insulting. I really don't care if they ever speak to me again. They are dead to me.
So, what is the goal where you live?
Secondly, what if the goal cannot be reached?
Minimize transmission so as not to crash the public health care system. Despite some the lacksadasical decisions and policies of our provincial government during the second wave in late fall and early winter, we have achieved that and continue to do so. We are prepared to stay this course for at least until year end.
I trust you have no problem with our success in managing our own affairs in this matter?
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@copper said in Third Wave Here?:
@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
@taiwan_girl said in Third Wave Here?:
@loki said in Third Wave Here?:
@mik said in Third Wave Here?:
You can't deny that infection rates are on the rise some places, enough to be worrisome. As much as I want everything to open back up, vaccination rates are not there yet.
How much extra tax are you willing to pay to keep things closed? You will be funding this.
It seems to me that in the US, the problem is is that the people are are "advocate" the most to open things up NOW, are the same people that are not willing to do the things necessary to allow that to happen.
(mask wearing, social distancing, etc.)
There's a word for those people.
A good word or a bad word?
After a year there is still no concept of a limit or a goal.
There is no way to measure the harm caused by the pandemic, and no way to measure the harm caused to closed businesses and no way to measure the harm caused to children with no social contact.
Just insults
Wear a mask or be stupid
Why? What is the goal? Are we getting closer to the goal? Does them mask really do anything?
All great questions, there is a word for those people with the sense to question the idiots and it is not an insult.
Whatever.
wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 13:45 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Third Wave Here?:
Does them mask really do anything?
Well lemme tell ya, them thar mask are the bee's knees! Wear them mask and keep 'em people at spittin' distance and y'all will do jus' fine!