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The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems

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    George K
    wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 01:19 last edited by
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    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/03/11/denmark-denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/5661615464140/

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 02:36 last edited by
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      Speaking of AZ, this is interesting.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 02:49 last edited by
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        Re the above, it seems to me if approval isn’t imminent they should send them to Canada with the idea that Canada will redirect equivalent numbers back here once we do approve.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 03:17 last edited by
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          Didn’t Germany ban it for those over 65? Was that related?

          The Brad

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 03:24 last edited by jon-nyc 3 Dec 2021, 03:24
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            I think that was because the funky errors in their trial. It was better with the half dose, but they had only tested the (erroneous) half dose on a younger cohort.

            But I’m not sure.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • G George K
              12 Mar 2021, 01:19

              https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/03/11/denmark-denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/5661615464140/

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              Rainman
              wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 03:40 last edited by Rainman 3 Dec 2021, 03:42
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              @george-k said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

              https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/03/11/denmark-denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/5661615464140/

              From the article:

              "It shows that the monitoring system works."

              It also shows the spin machine works, probably even better than the monitoring system.
              Maybe they are both the same.

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                12 Mar 2021, 03:17

                Didn’t Germany ban it for those over 65? Was that related?

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                Klaus
                wrote on 12 Mar 2021, 08:34 last edited by Klaus 3 Dec 2021, 08:35
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                @lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                Didn’t Germany ban it for those over 65? Was that related?

                Yes, but that was for silly reasons. The reason what that the trials didn't involve older people so the default assumption was that it wouldn't work on older people. It was widely interpreted in the mainstream press as "studies show it doesn't work on older folks", hence many people actively refuse that particular vaccine.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 14 Mar 2021, 18:49 last edited by
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                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 02:04 last edited by
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                    Ireland too.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 02:19 last edited by
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                      Which one of the two am I to believe?

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                        15 Mar 2021, 02:19

                        Which one of the two am I to believe?

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 02:49 last edited by
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                        @Loki Considering the fact that there are no cases known with Moderna and Pfizer, I find the AZ claim to be rather weak sauce...

                        The Brad

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 03:21 last edited by jon-nyc
                          #12

                          Gotta wait and see. Some regulators are very quick to halt and investigate. My gut feel is it’ll turn out to be safe. As safe as other vaccines usually are.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            AndyD
                            wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 06:54 last edited by
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                            Wife had the AZ on Saturday and she's still alive. A biochemist and a bit of an anti-vaxxer, the AZ was the one she wanted.
                            Get mine later this week.

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                              15 Mar 2021, 06:54

                              Wife had the AZ on Saturday and she's still alive. A biochemist and a bit of an anti-vaxxer, the AZ was the one she wanted.
                              Get mine later this week.

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                              brenda
                              wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 06:56 last edited by
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                              @andyd Andy, what were her reasons to prefer the AZ vaccine?

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                                15 Mar 2021, 06:56

                                @andyd Andy, what were her reasons to prefer the AZ vaccine?

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                                AndyD
                                wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 07:18 last edited by
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                                @brenda
                                My question exactly as we drove home. Like the rest of us she's read 'stuff on the internet', and her answer was 'she felt it was safer'.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 16:19 last edited by
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                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 16:24 last edited by
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                                    If Mr. Trump said that he loved AZ, Mr. Biden would ban it in a heartbeat.

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                                      Loki
                                      wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 23:45 last edited by
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                                      I think there is a better than even chance that before the week is out these countries will re-authorize the vaccine. I wouldn’t bet on but it’s a hunch.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 15 Mar 2021, 23:54 last edited by
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                                        I suspect you are right.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 00:09 last edited by
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                                          Bottom line: Ship out the stuff we have stored.

                                          Only question is who needs it the most?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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