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The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems

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  • L Loki

    Which one of the two am I to believe?

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    LuFins Dad
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    @Loki Considering the fact that there are no cases known with Moderna and Pfizer, I find the AZ claim to be rather weak sauce...

    The Brad

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      jon-nyc
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      #12

      Gotta wait and see. Some regulators are very quick to halt and investigate. My gut feel is it’ll turn out to be safe. As safe as other vaccines usually are.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Wife had the AZ on Saturday and she's still alive. A biochemist and a bit of an anti-vaxxer, the AZ was the one she wanted.
        Get mine later this week.

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        • A AndyD

          Wife had the AZ on Saturday and she's still alive. A biochemist and a bit of an anti-vaxxer, the AZ was the one she wanted.
          Get mine later this week.

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          @andyd Andy, what were her reasons to prefer the AZ vaccine?

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          • brendaB brenda

            @andyd Andy, what were her reasons to prefer the AZ vaccine?

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            @brenda
            My question exactly as we drove home. Like the rest of us she's read 'stuff on the internet', and her answer was 'she felt it was safer'.

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              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Copper
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                If Mr. Trump said that he loved AZ, Mr. Biden would ban it in a heartbeat.

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                  Loki
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                  I think there is a better than even chance that before the week is out these countries will re-authorize the vaccine. I wouldn’t bet on but it’s a hunch.

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                    I suspect you are right.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Bottom line: Ship out the stuff we have stored.

                      Only question is who needs it the most?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Yeah this is as stupid as it is typical.

                        A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Yeah this is as stupid as it is typical.

                          A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.

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                          George K
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                          @jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                          A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.

                          (Pretty) cheap Scotch everywhere tonight.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Yeah, but there is something really odd about all of the issues AZ keeps happening. All the European resistance to the vaccine, all the times AZ has shot themselves in the foot with seemingly minor missteps...It really feels like there is a story behind the scenes that we may never know.

                            The Brad

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                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                @jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                  And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...

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                                  @lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                  And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...

                                  Maybe they've got better media contacts.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    @lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                    And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...

                                    Maybe they've got better media contacts.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                    @lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                    And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...

                                    Maybe they've got better media contacts.

                                    Well, that’s part of what I am wondering. Why is AZ having so many difficulties? Real or perceived?

                                    The Brad

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                                      @jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                      Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.

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                                      • L Loki

                                        @jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                        Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.

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                                        @loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                        Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.

                                        The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          @loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                          Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.

                                          The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.

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                                          @doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                          @loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:

                                          Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.

                                          The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.

                                          I’ve lauded Great Britain every step of the way on approvals and wished the US just took their analysis. Would have saved many US lives for sure and excess deaths used to be the benchmark until the election.

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