Who killed Ashli Babbitt?
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Trump has never accepted that he lost the election, but nowhere in his speech January 6th did he advocate violence at the Capitol. Protest? Fershure! I think he would have been tickled if the whole crowd had marched down and screamed their lungs out, intimidating whomever they could.
But part of the crowd turned ugly. Antifa is known for violence, Trump supporters were not. I think that's why many of the Capitol police were caught flat-footed. And for all the political silliness emanating from her office, I also think that's why Pelosi had not taken steps to beef up security.
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Trump has never accepted that he lost the election, but nowhere in his speech January 6th did he advocate violence at the Capitol. Protest? Fershure! I think he would have been tickled if the whole crowd had marched down and screamed their lungs out, intimidating whomever they could.
But part of the crowd turned ugly. Antifa is known for violence, Trump supporters were not. I think that's why many of the Capitol police were caught flat-footed. And for all the political silliness emanating from her office, I also think that's why Pelosi had not taken steps to beef up security.
@jolly said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
But part of the crowd turned ugly. Antifa is known for violence, Trump supporters were not. I think that's why many of the Capitol police were caught flat-footed. And for all the political silliness emanating from her office, I also think that's why Pelosi had not taken steps to beef up security.
I definitely agree with that perspective.
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I don't know. If Justice can only come up with a few felony convictions to go along with several misdemeanors, this whole thing may run out of political steam.
Pelosi has 6% inflation to worry about, a car crunch nightmare, an economy that's starting to look a bit shaky and this little problem in Afghanistan. On top of that, the Resident is looking more senile every day and even some Dems are starting to notice. The MSM can only cover up so much for so long.
I think they'll do their best to make January 6 stick, but I suspect most of the country doesn't give a damn...
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I think the whitehouse worked better when you could just walk in off the street and talk to Mr. Lincoln.
That is about the level of importance and seclusion the president should have.
@copper said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
I think the whitehouse worked better when you could just walk in off the street and talk to Mr. Lincoln.
The theater, too.
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Article on the Capitol police officer’s interview with NBC.
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@george-k said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Legal experts and the media have avoided the obvious implications of the two reviews in the Babbitt shooting.
Under this standard, hundreds of rioters could have been gunned down on Jan. 6 — and officers in cities such as Seattle or Portland, Ore., could have killed hundreds of violent protesters who tried to burn courthouses, took over city halls or occupied police stations during last summer’s widespread rioting.
Yes, exactly
By that standard he should have killed them all.
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One thing that I wasn't aware of was that there were Capitol Police behind the mob that broke through the window.
Did this officer not consider that he might have hit one of his colleagues, or would that be "collateral damage?"
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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One thing that I wasn't aware of was that there were Capitol Police behind the mob that broke through the window.
Did this officer not consider that he might have hit one of his colleagues, or would that be "collateral damage?"
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
@george-k said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
policy for use of deadly force
Policy as interpreted by the shooter:
But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers."
None of those died
Policy successful
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One thing that I wasn't aware of was that there were Capitol Police behind the mob that broke through the window.
Did this officer not consider that he might have hit one of his colleagues, or would that be "collateral damage?"
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
@george-k said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
One thing that I wasn't aware of was that there were Capitol Police behind the mob that broke through the window.
Did this officer not consider that he might have hit one of his colleagues, or would that be "collateral damage?"
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
I brought that up from the very first. A pass-through is highly possible at that range.
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One thing that I wasn't aware of was that there were Capitol Police behind the mob that broke through the window.
Did this officer not consider that he might have hit one of his colleagues, or would that be "collateral damage?"
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
@george-k said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
I keep asking, what is the policy for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police? No one seems to have an answer.
“An officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer's own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury.”
