The Big Lie
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@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Mr. Horace, at the very least a true conservative would make the effort of casting their vote and exercising their right in the democratic process.
Until such time you exercise your right to vote, I am unable to consider your political stance little more than textbook cynicism and whining about the world in which you live.
Forgive me for seeing your "vote or shut up" as a convenient bit of ad hom against someone you're ill equipped to discuss American culture with.
I would discuss Canadian politics with you, but to be honest, nobody cares about Canada.
wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 23:29 last edited by RenaudaI really wouldn't care to discuss Canadian politics with you either. That would require you to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of Western history since the Renaissance; a prerequisite you apparently have never acquired.
However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".
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@renauda said in The Big Lie:
morally bankrupt
Morals are universal and have little to do with political leaning.
There are of course those who think life is all about the moral high-ground (aka wokeness).
This is ignorance. Which also has little to do with political leanings.
wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 23:36 last edited by Renauda@copper said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
morally bankrupt
Morals are universal and have little to do with political leaning.
There are of course those who think life is all about the moral high-ground (aka wokeness).
This is ignorance. Which also has little to do with political leanings.
I'm glad you mentioned this. I have for some time now like yourself, no doubt, thought the Democrat Party quite morally bankrupt. I still feel that way, despite some interesting ideas in the DNC on how the future might be.
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I really wouldn't care to discuss Canadian politics with you either. That would require you to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of Western history since the Renaissance; a prerequisite you apparently have never acquired.
However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".
wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 23:46 last edited by Horace@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".
Yes, that's an essentially thoughtless idea, a convenient and lazy trump card used by people who don't want to have a conversation with someone they know didn't vote. Obviously, living in a culture, surrounded by its politics, gives people sufficient agency to opine about it. Whether or not they chose to spend an afternoon amongst the masses waiting in line to cast a statistically meaningless vote. Obviously.
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wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 23:55 last edited by
Yes of course, a thoughtless argument.
Obviously, this open democracy concept is just another tool of the bourgeoisie to oppress the masses.
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@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 23:57 last edited by@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
Tell ya what. Let's go mano e mano. We'll start at the effective range of the best weapon in an open field...About 500 meters.
Your weapon:
My weapon:
No difference, am I right?
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Yes of course, a thoughtless argument.
Obviously, this open democracy concept is just another tool of the bourgeoisie to oppress the masses.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:00 last edited by@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Yes of course, a thoughtless argument.
Obviously, this open democracy concept is just another tool of the bourgeoisie to oppress the masses.
Yes, "if you don't vote, you don't get to have an opinion" is absolutely thoughtless. Not least because it's so easy to just say you vote. Now your foot is in the door, and you get to have an opinion. The only reason you know I don't vote is because I'm trying to present the idea, directly opposed to your rube logic, of which I have been well aware for decades, that the rube logic is nonsense. Voting, when it's meaningless, is actually meaningless. And it makes sense to not go get in line to do it, just because some intellectual posers out there tell you it's super important.
You would have a point if American elections were decided by popular vote. They aren't.
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@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
Tell ya what. Let's go mano e mano. We'll start at the effective range of the best weapon in an open field...About 500 meters.
Your weapon:
My weapon:
No difference, am I right?
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@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Yes of course, a thoughtless argument.
Obviously, this open democracy concept is just another tool of the bourgeoisie to oppress the masses.
Yes, "if you don't vote, you don't get to have an opinion" is absolutely thoughtless. Not least because it's so easy to just say you vote. Now your foot is in the door, and you get to have an opinion. The only reason you know I don't vote is because I'm trying to present the idea, directly opposed to your rube logic, of which I have been well aware for decades, that the rube logic is nonsense. Voting, when it's meaningless, is actually meaningless. And it makes sense to not go get in line to do it, just because some intellectual posers out there tell you it's super important.
You would have a point if American elections were decided by popular vote. They aren't.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:02 last edited by@horace said in The Big Lie:
The only reason you know I don't vote is because I'm trying to present the idea, directly opposed to your rube logic, of which I have been well aware for decades, that the rube logic is nonsense. Voting, when it's meaningless, is actually meaningless. And it makes sense to not go get in line to do it, just because some intellectual posers out there tell you it's super important.
For a moment there I thought you were quoting Lenin.
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@horace said in The Big Lie:
The only reason you know I don't vote is because I'm trying to present the idea, directly opposed to your rube logic, of which I have been well aware for decades, that the rube logic is nonsense. Voting, when it's meaningless, is actually meaningless. And it makes sense to not go get in line to do it, just because some intellectual posers out there tell you it's super important.
For a moment there I thought you were quoting Lenin.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:04 last edited by@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
The only reason you know I don't vote is because I'm trying to present the idea, directly opposed to your rube logic, of which I have been well aware for decades, that the rube logic is nonsense. Voting, when it's meaningless, is actually meaningless. And it makes sense to not go get in line to do it, just because some intellectual posers out there tell you it's super important.
For a moment there I thought you were quoting Lenin.
Your stupefying historical knowledge has won the day yet again.
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wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:14 last edited by
No, I just enjoy the Beatles.
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@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
What did conservatives ever do to you?
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:23 last edited by@horace said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
What did conservatives ever do to you?
Spew their hypocrisy with every other sentence out of their mouths
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@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:28 last edited by@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
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@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:30 last edited by@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
Ok. Apparently you know more about the facts than I do. Trump was enjoying watching people getting stampeded. Where is the evidence for this, again?
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@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
Ok. Apparently you know more about the facts than I do. Trump was enjoying watching people getting stampeded. Where is the evidence for this, again?
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:40 last edited by@horace said in The Big Lie:
@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
Ok. Apparently you know more about the facts than I do. Trump was enjoying watching people getting stampeded. Where is the evidence for this, again?
You must really live in a bubble of conservative news sources only. Of course Fox and Newsmax wouldnt dare broadcast it. Tell ya what, go to Google or your favorite search engine and simply type “accounts of trump enjoying the riot”. Really man, you cant see him for the despicuble excuse of a human that he is? It is totally in line with his desire of how the day should play out.
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@horace said in The Big Lie:
@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
Ok. Apparently you know more about the facts than I do. Trump was enjoying watching people getting stampeded. Where is the evidence for this, again?
You must really live in a bubble of conservative news sources only. Of course Fox and Newsmax wouldnt dare broadcast it. Tell ya what, go to Google or your favorite search engine and simply type “accounts of trump enjoying the riot”. Really man, you cant see him for the despicuble excuse of a human that he is? It is totally in line with his desire of how the day should play out.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:44 last edited by@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
accounts of trump enjoying the riot
Googled it. Here's a clip from the first hit:
The evidence indicates that Trump Jr.'s video was recorded before the president's speech to the "Save America" rally on Wednesday and thus well before the riot at the Capitol.
I'm really shocked and saddened to see that you're wrong again, NS. I'm sorry.
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@horace said in The Big Lie:
@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Don't be so obtuse, Jolly. Phibes knows the difference and has unequivocally stated that he is repulsed by the violent fanaticism on both left and right.
A second difference is that the violent fanaticism on the left, which in many cases is actually worse than that on the right, was not egged on by a former or current President of the United States.
The fact that people cannot bring themselves to condemn this individual is pretty close to being tacit approval of the violence that took place in the Capitol.
To call these people 'conservatives' is an insult to a great political tradition.
Wokeism and anti-racism have absolutely been condoned by current and former presidents. I was particularly dismayed when GWB wrote an essay on systemic racism in the wake of George Floyd. It goes without saying that the Obamas, especially Michelle, are completely on board with the systemic racism narrative.
As for Trump, I think he went too hard on the election theft thing, in service of his inability to admit to losing. Some doofi took that as permission to enter the Capitol, through unguarded, unlocked doors. Trump immediately told them to go home, and immediately made clear that the rule of law must exist. As it does not, to this day, in Portland.
Bullshit. There are eyewitness accounts that he reveled in the stampede and took great joy watching it and couldnt understand why his aides looked on in horror. He only made statements long after the horses broke out of the barn due to the pressure of virtually everyone , his daughter, aides, congressmen telling him to say something to quell it. The guy is a monster. And anyone who has any respect for him still, is a fucking partisan idiot
Ok. Apparently you know more about the facts than I do. Trump was enjoying watching people getting stampeded. Where is the evidence for this, again?
You must really live in a bubble of conservative news sources only. Of course Fox and Newsmax wouldnt dare broadcast it. Tell ya what, go to Google or your favorite search engine and simply type “accounts of trump enjoying the riot”. Really man, you cant see him for the despicuble excuse of a human that he is? It is totally in line with his desire of how the day should play out.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:49 last edited by@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
Apparently you know more about the facts than I do.
In all fairness, you yourself admitted that you ignore past facts, and ridiculed Renauda for placing value in them. So your comment, however sarcastic, is true.
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@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
Apparently you know more about the facts than I do.
In all fairness, you yourself admitted that you ignore past facts, and ridiculed Renauda for placing value in them. So your comment, however sarcastic, is true.
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:56 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in The Big Lie:
@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
Apparently you know more about the facts than I do.
In all fairness, you yourself admitted that you ignore past facts, and ridiculed Renauda for placing value in them. So your comment, however sarcastic, is true.
I think you quoted the wrong guy, but literally I never admitted to ignoring past facts. I admitted to thinking twice and thrice when someone historical name drops as if they have some deep knowledge of some deep concept that applies directly to our current lives. I'm very confident that such stuff tends to be BS. People are drawn to it because people are learners. Good for them. But they want it to mean more than it actually does.
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wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 00:59 last edited by Renauda
Kindly keep me out of your spat, gentlemen.
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wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 01:09 last edited by
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
Kindly keep me out of your spat, gentlemen.
Stalin was above it all.
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@horace said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
What did conservatives ever do to you?
Spew their hypocrisy with every other sentence out of their mouths
wrote on 24 Feb 2021, 01:30 last edited by@nobodyssock said in The Big Lie:
@horace said in The Big Lie:
@renauda said in The Big Lie:
@horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.
What did conservatives ever do to you?
Spew their hypocrisy with every other sentence out of their mouths
That is a shocking statement.
The conservatives that I know are generally a pretty consistent bunch.
