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  • HoraceH Horace

    @renauda said in The Big Lie:

    @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

    What did conservatives ever do to you?

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #26

    @horace said in The Big Lie:

    @renauda said in The Big Lie:

    @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

    What did conservatives ever do to you?

    What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

    Elbows up!

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @horace said in The Big Lie:

      @renauda said in The Big Lie:

      @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

      What did conservatives ever do to you?

      What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

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      Horace
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      #27

      @renauda said in The Big Lie:

      @horace said in The Big Lie:

      @renauda said in The Big Lie:

      @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

      What did conservatives ever do to you?

      What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

      Are we playing word games now? In what way do I not rate as a conservative? Use your words.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #28

        I'm a liberal, but I'm not an American liberal.

        I like Top Gear, but I won't countenance American Top Gear under any circumstances.

        I was only joking

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

          @horace said in The Big Lie:

          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

          @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

          What did conservatives ever do to you?

          What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

          Are we playing word games now? In what way do I not rate as a conservative? Use your words.

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #29

          @horace said in The Big Lie:

          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

          @horace said in The Big Lie:

          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

          @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

          What did conservatives ever do to you?

          What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

          Are we playing word games now? In what way do I not rate as a conservative? Use your words.

          No. Why?

          Elbows up!

          HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
          • RenaudaR Renauda

            @horace said in The Big Lie:

            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

            @horace said in The Big Lie:

            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

            @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

            What did conservatives ever do to you?

            What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

            Are we playing word games now? In what way do I not rate as a conservative? Use your words.

            No. Why?

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #30

            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

            @horace said in The Big Lie:

            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

            @horace said in The Big Lie:

            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

            @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

            What did conservatives ever do to you?

            What conservatives? Haven't seen or heard much of them lately. Do you know any? I believe there is one conservative poster in this forum but that individual hasn't posted in this thread yet.

            Are we playing word games now? In what way do I not rate as a conservative? Use your words.

            No. Why?

            I self identify as a conservative. It's pretty illiberal of you to question my self identification. Conservative even.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #31

              I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #32

                @doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:

                I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

                But he identifies as left-leaning in America. And apparently thinks there is only one actual conservative on this forum. I'm just asking him to explain his definition, but I'm not holding my breath.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:

                  I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

                  But he identifies as left-leaning in America. And apparently thinks there is only one actual conservative on this forum. I'm just asking him to explain his definition, but I'm not holding my breath.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #33

                  @horace

                  Glad you're not holding your breath. You just might hurt yourself.

                  Elbows up!

                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #34

                    @doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:

                    I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

                    That was probably the case until about six or seven years ago. Since that time I have come to the conclusion that conservatism in this country is every bit as intellectually and morally bankrupt as it is elsewhere in the western world. Much of it has to do with a half century of unopposed conservative governance in the province I live along with the perversion of conservatism federally under the Harper regime.

                    Right now I am happy that I live in the only NDP federal riding in Alberta. Likewise, the city in which I live, returned an almost exclusive NDP sweep in the provincial election 18 months ago. It is the only credible opposition to the United Conservatives that won that provincial election.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      @doctor-phibes said in The Big Lie:

                      I'd humbly suggest that Renauda qualifies as a conservative, at least in a country that hasn't changed the meaning of the term.

                      That was probably the case until about six or seven years ago. Since that time I have come to the conclusion that conservatism in this country is every bit as intellectually and morally bankrupt as it is elsewhere in the western world. Much of it has to do with a half century of unopposed conservative governance in the province I live along with the perversion of conservatism federally under the Harper regime.

                      Right now I am happy that I live in the only NDP federal riding in Alberta. Likewise, the city in which I live, returned an almost exclusive NDP sweep in the provincial election 18 months ago. It is the only credible opposition to the United Conservatives that won that provincial election.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by Copper
                      #35

                      @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                      morally bankrupt

                      Morals are universal and have little to do with political leaning.

                      There are of course those who think life is all about the moral high-ground (aka wokeness).

                      This is ignorance. Which also has little to do with political leanings.

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @horace

                        Glad you're not holding your breath. You just might hurt yourself.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #36

                        @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                        @horace

                        Glad you're not holding your breath. You just might hurt yourself.

                        Glad you're not attempting to explain your contention that there is only one real conservative on this forum. You just might embarrass yourself.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                          @horace

                          Glad you're not holding your breath. You just might hurt yourself.

                          Glad you're not attempting to explain your contention that there is only one real conservative on this forum. You just might embarrass yourself.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #37

                          @horace Come to think of it there is one other conservative here.

                          I regret to inform you, it's not you.

                          Say, when was the last time you voted in an election?

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            @horace Come to think of it there is one other conservative here.

                            I regret to inform you, it's not you.

                            Say, when was the last time you voted in an election?

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #38

                            @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                            @horace Come to think of it there is one other conservative here.

                            Thanks for not naming them. Coyness is super cool.

                            I regret to inform you, it's not you.

                            Well, you can't define your terms, so...

                            Say, when was the last time you voted in an election?

                            That would be the last time I thought my vote would have carried any probablistic weight towards the election outcome.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #39

                              Mr. Horace, at the very least a true conservative would make the effort of casting their vote and exercising their right in the democratic process.

                              Until such time you exercise your right to vote, I am unable to consider your political stance little more than textbook cynicism and whining about the world in which you live.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                Mr. Horace, at the very least a true conservative would make the effort of casting their vote and exercising their right in the democratic process.

                                Until such time you exercise your right to vote, I am unable to consider your political stance little more than textbook cynicism and whining about the world in which you live.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by Horace
                                #40

                                @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                Mr. Horace, at the very least a true conservative would make the effort of casting their vote and exercising their right in the democratic process.

                                Until such time you exercise your right to vote, I am unable to consider your political stance little more than textbook cynicism and whining about the world in which you live.

                                Forgive me for seeing your "vote or shut up" as a convenient bit of ad hom against someone you're ill equipped to discuss American culture with.

                                I would discuss Canadian politics with you, but to be honest, nobody cares about Canada.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                  Mr. Horace, at the very least a true conservative would make the effort of casting their vote and exercising their right in the democratic process.

                                  Until such time you exercise your right to vote, I am unable to consider your political stance little more than textbook cynicism and whining about the world in which you live.

                                  Forgive me for seeing your "vote or shut up" as a convenient bit of ad hom against someone you're ill equipped to discuss American culture with.

                                  I would discuss Canadian politics with you, but to be honest, nobody cares about Canada.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #41

                                  @horace

                                  I really wouldn't care to discuss Canadian politics with you either. That would require you to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of Western history since the Renaissance; a prerequisite you apparently have never acquired.

                                  However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                    morally bankrupt

                                    Morals are universal and have little to do with political leaning.

                                    There are of course those who think life is all about the moral high-ground (aka wokeness).

                                    This is ignorance. Which also has little to do with political leanings.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #42

                                    @copper said in The Big Lie:

                                    @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                    morally bankrupt

                                    Morals are universal and have little to do with political leaning.

                                    There are of course those who think life is all about the moral high-ground (aka wokeness).

                                    This is ignorance. Which also has little to do with political leanings.

                                    I'm glad you mentioned this. I have for some time now like yourself, no doubt, thought the Democrat Party quite morally bankrupt. I still feel that way, despite some interesting ideas in the DNC on how the future might be.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @horace

                                      I really wouldn't care to discuss Canadian politics with you either. That would require you to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of Western history since the Renaissance; a prerequisite you apparently have never acquired.

                                      However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by Horace
                                      #43

                                      @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                      @horace However I am quite the US is no different than here when it comes to voting rights. The saying here is "if you don't use your right to vote, you don't have the right to bitch".

                                      Yes, that's an essentially thoughtless idea, a convenient and lazy trump card used by people who don't want to have a conversation with someone they know didn't vote. Obviously, living in a culture, surrounded by its politics, gives people sufficient agency to opine about it. Whether or not they chose to spend an afternoon amongst the masses waiting in line to cast a statistically meaningless vote. Obviously.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #44

                                        Yes of course, a thoughtless argument.

                                        Obviously, this open democracy concept is just another tool of the bourgeoisie to oppress the masses.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #45

                                          @renauda said in The Big Lie:

                                          @horace I agree one is a bigger problem than the other. But that is where we are surely bound to disagree.

                                          Tell ya what. Let's go mano e mano. We'll start at the effective range of the best weapon in an open field...About 500 meters.

                                          Your weapon:

                                          alt text

                                          My weapon:

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                                          No difference, am I right?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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