Hero Or Snitch?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:03 last edited by Mik
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
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Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:13 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
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Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:14 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
You are blaming the harm and ruin on the wrong person. It’s Guy Reffitt the father who inflicted the harm and ruin, not Jackson Reffitt the son. And Guy Reffitt inflicted all that harm and ruin on his family as he inflicted harm also on the nation.
I don’t know whether Jackson Reffitt has any student loan, but I also cannot go along with you suggesting that a person should harbor a fugitive out of consideration for his own financial benefits (e.g., such as expecting that fugitive to pay off his loan).
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@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:33 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:45 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 16:56 last edited by xenon
This depends on a couple of things.
First - do you view the insurrection of idiots as a crime against the country (I did).
Second you have to take in consideration your values: morality, family, country.
I value family > than country. (In most situations)
Morality is the tough one. I can see people drawing the lines in different places here. The crime has to be pretty bad before I think the federal penitentiary system is warranted for a loved one.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the kid had very different politics than the dad.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 17:14 last edited by
A LOT of details missing, and besides, who are we to judge?
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A LOT of details missing, and besides, who are we to judge?
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@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:13 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would. Am I opposed to children dropping a die on parents who MIGHT commit a crime? Da, komrade.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:20 last edited by
@copper said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a snitch
What he did is the definition.
Well, his dad's a two-bit thug. No taksies backsies!
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@copper said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a snitch
What he did is the definition.
Well, his dad's a two-bit thug. No taksies backsies!
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:23 last edited by@doctor-phibes yeah, when the dad goes all in on idiot insurrection - the family may not be firing on all cylinders.
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@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@aqua-letifer said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
Not sure the distinction is relevant, but I'd say Jackson will be racking up some big student loans.
The harm, ruin perhaps, he has inflicted on his whole family, not just his father, is grossly out of proportion to the miniscule harm done to the nation. That doesn't fit my definition of a hero.
I don't think the kid's a hero by any stretch, but is the takeaway here to let your loved ones commit federal crimes? What should have been done instead, just ignore it?
No crime had been committed when he called and his call prevented nothing. So yeah, he should not have done it. A 16 year old's judgement, or lack thereof, is not sufficient to bring the feds down on your family.
So you're okay with guys breaking federal crimes as long as they have a family to support?
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would. Am I opposed to children dropping a die on parents who MIGHT commit a crime? Da, komrade.
wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:25 last edited by@mik said in Hero Or Snitch?:
You are completely missing the point. At the time Jackson called the FBI no crime had taken place and he had no certain knowledge that one would.
Possibly. However there is this:
Jackson Reffitt informed authorities that, on the night of Jan. 8 and the ensuing days, his father told him and other family members that he was among the individuals who "stormed the Capitol" on Jan. 6, that he went to protect the country and brought his gun with him, and that he recorded some of the events on his GoPro camera, which was strapped to his helmet, according to the court documents.
Maybe not a crime in itself, but arming yourself and storming the Capitol is not exactly lawful now, is it?
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:27 last edited by
No, but that was after the fact. Self-fulfilling prophecy if you will.
In any event, the only thing I can see is him outside the Capitol drinking water.
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wrote on 31 Jan 2021, 18:28 last edited by
The father fucked up his one job, which is to produce offspring that could learn the appropriate ways to function in society. Good thing the son recognized it and did what he had to do no matter the short term harm to the family.
I detest snitches. The kid was just expressing normal instincts and likely tortured himself in coming to the conclusion he did.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 01:27 last edited by
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
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The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 01:59 last edited by Doctor Phibes 2 Jan 2021, 02:05@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
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@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:44 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:47 last edited by
A police was killed in teh capital as well as the protestor lady. Makes it pretty serious to me.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:49 last edited by
There’s too little information to go on. What exactly did the kid hear that made him want to call a tip line? Was he calling the tip line out of a sincere concern of a threat, or was this some way of getting back at his dad over other crap? What exactly did the dad do at the Capitol? Waayyy too little info to make any judgement other than it’s sad.
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@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 02:50 last edited by@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@doctor-phibes said in Hero Or Snitch?:
@jolly said in Hero Or Snitch?:
The kid is a low-life piece of shit that could've been happy working for the Stazi.
You don't turn family in. Not unless there is a murder or rape, or perhaps another crime as serious that harmed another person. What his father did, doe not even come close.
In my world, the family would close ranks and the little bitch would be considered dead. His clothes would be sitting on the street and he could make his way in life as he saw fit.
He's only sixteen. I don't know about you, but I did some really stupid shit at that age, that could easily have got me or possibly others killed.
And you don't know what else is going on in the family.
I don't care what else is going on in that family.
There are some things that Are. Not. Done. Turning in your father to the FBI for what amounts to criminal trespass is one of them. The kid has ruined his father's life, his mother's life, his siblings lives, and his own.
For what? For an attaboy and ten minutes of fame on CNN?
I blame the parents.
Isn't that what we usually say?
