How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?
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He hasn't helped things, that's for sure. It's similar to how he shot himself in the foot by downplaying the ability to vote by mail in his election, which likely cost him a bunch of voters (maybe 11,780?) as well as resulted in the Biden surge from mail-in votes that Trump now sees as a signal of fraud. What a dummy.
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@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
@jon-nyc said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
I think it does. It's always all about Trump. I supported him and voted for him, but I don't think everything that happens is directly Trump related.
A lot of those rural red counties in Georgia are off a hundred to a few hundred ballots. We see that all the time, when comparing a run-off to a general election with a Presidential race on the ballot.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
I think it does. It's always all about Trump. I supported him and voted for him, but I don't think everything that happens is directly Trump related.
A lot of those rural red counties in Georgia are off a hundred to a few hundred ballots. We see that all the time, when comparing a run-off to a general election with a Presidential race on the ballot.
@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
but I don't think everything that happens is directly Trump related.
Just the bad stuff?
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@jon-nyc said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
I think it does. It's always all about Trump. I supported him and voted for him, but I don't think everything that happens is directly Trump related.
A lot of those rural red counties in Georgia are off a hundred to a few hundred ballots. We see that all the time, when comparing a run-off to a general election with a Presidential race on the ballot.
A whole lot of rancor was directed at the GOP by Trump himself. Some Trump-affiliated lawyers openly campaigned for republicans in GA to skip the vote. Nick Fuentes had his guys - Trumpists all - chant 'destroy the GOP'. Trump said the election machinery was rigged in GA, pretty much every day for the past 50 days.
Is it actually deranged to ask the question whether this could have had an impact on the vote, even at the margin?
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@jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
TDS.
Very typical usage here. I so much as ask a question about the effects of Trump's actions and that makes me 'deranged'.
@jon-nyc I wonder if he was saying he doesn’t blame Trump, so much as he blames TDS (or people with it)
In any case, if the Dems pull off both of these, and it looks like Republican turnout was a big factor—then yeah...Trump should get a lot of fukkin blame for this.
Instead of doing what he could to make the best use of the end of his term, he’s gone into full “burn it all down” mode. Probably the most disappointing thing about his Presidency for me.
edit: I post too slow. Guess we can disregard my first paragraph, lol.
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@jon-nyc I wonder if he was saying he doesn’t blame Trump, so much as he blames TDS (or people with it)
In any case, if the Dems pull off both of these, and it looks like Republican turnout was a big factor—then yeah...Trump should get a lot of fukkin blame for this.
Instead of doing what he could to make the best use of the end of his term, he’s gone into full “burn it all down” mode. Probably the most disappointing thing about his Presidency for me.
edit: I post too slow. Guess we can disregard my first paragraph, lol.
@rich said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
Trump should get a lot of fukkin blame for this.
You deranged mother-fucking libtard pronoun-specifying sheep.
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@rich said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
Trump should get a lot of fukkin blame for this.
You deranged mother-fucking libtard pronoun-specifying sheep.
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As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
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@doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.
The Kotkin interview is here:
Link to videoElbows up!
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@doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.
The Kotkin interview is here:
Link to video -
@doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.
The Kotkin interview is here:
Link to video@renauda said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
I agree with this. An article I found below says the same thing.
President Trump effect on senate race
From the article
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“He is the Dems’ best base animator,” said one GOP strategist involved in the Georgia races. “Look at how high turnout was on their side compared to historical trends. Look at how much their candidates raised. He steps back after Election Day and denies them that and he didn’t.”
UNQUOTEI said during the president campaign that the best campaigner for the democrats is President Trump.
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@doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.
The Kotkin interview is here:
Link to video@renauda said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
@doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:
As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.
I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.
Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.
The Kotkin interview is here:
Link to videoFrum?
Bwhahahaha!
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Have you read Kotkin’s book about the fall of the Soviet Union? Only 200pp but excellent.
No jon I haven't but I have read the first volume of his Stalin Biography. I have a copy of volume two but have decided to hold off reading it until the third and final volume is released, hopefully sometime later this year. In that way I can read vols. II and III consecutively. BTW, Volume I was excellent. I rank alongside the late Robert Tucker's, Stalin as Revolutionary
His historiography is meticulous, although his writing style sometimes is a tad colloquial for my tastes. But that's just me.
