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  • LarryL Larry

    The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

    I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

    And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

    And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

    Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

    My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

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    @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

    The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

    I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

    And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

    And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

    Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

    My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

    The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

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      @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

      @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

      The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

      I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

      And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

      And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

      Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

      My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

      The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

      Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.

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      • LarryL Larry

        @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

        @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

        The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

        I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

        And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

        And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

        Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

        My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

        The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

        Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.

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        @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

        @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

        @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

        The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

        I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

        And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

        And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

        Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

        My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

        The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

        Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.

        I’ll take the Republican state officials’ and Bill Barr’s position over yours that there wasn’t wide-scale election fraud.

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          @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

          @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

          @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

          @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

          The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

          I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

          And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

          And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

          Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

          My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

          The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

          Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.

          I’ll take the Republican state officials’ and Bill Barr’s position over yours that there wasn’t wide-scale election fraud.

          The sound of a head shoving itself up the ass where it's comfortable. Just admit it - You only want to hear what you want to hear, and your constant whining about "show me the proof" is just bull shit. You have not, nor never intend, to look at anything that might prove you wrong.

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          • LarryL Larry

            @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

            @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

            @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

            @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

            The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.

            I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.

            And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.

            And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

            Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..

            My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.

            The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?

            Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.

            I’ll take the Republican state officials’ and Bill Barr’s position over yours that there wasn’t wide-scale election fraud.

            The sound of a head shoving itself up the ass where it's comfortable. Just admit it - You only want to hear what you want to hear, and your constant whining about "show me the proof" is just bull shit. You have not, nor never intend, to look at anything that might prove you wrong.

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            @larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.

            They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.

            You read Twitter kooks.

            So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.

            And you can keep repeating your bullshit that I don’t look into claims of election fraud. It’s of immense interest to me how people can believe this crap with no evidence.

            Remember - the President declared victory on the night of the election while counting was still happening.

            They didn’t need evidence then and they don’t need it now.

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              @larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.

              They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.

              You read Twitter kooks.

              So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.

              And you can keep repeating your bullshit that I don’t look into claims of election fraud. It’s of immense interest to me how people can believe this crap with no evidence.

              Remember - the President declared victory on the night of the election while counting was still happening.

              They didn’t need evidence then and they don’t need it now.

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              @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

              @larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.

              They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.

              You read Twitter kooks.

              So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.

              Fuck you. You've proven to me that you're disingenuous and closed minded. I'm not going to argue with a moron.

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              • LarryL Larry

                @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                @larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.

                They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.

                You read Twitter kooks.

                So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.

                Fuck you. You've proven to me that you're disingenuous and closed minded. I'm not going to argue with a moron.

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                @larry “close minded”. Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.

                I think you’re the only true believer here, Larry.

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                  @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                  @larry “close minded”. Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.

                  I think you’re the only true believer here, Larry.

                  Heres a conspiracy theory for you. Youll like it because youll get to shove your head up your ass a little further...

                  That Stacy Abrams I mentioned? You know, the one you refused to look into because your precious opinion might get challenged? The Stacy Abrams that you said the things I told you about her were just conspiracy theories? It was just reported on the news... on TV.. that her sister, a federal judge, is blocking the removal of votes cast by dead people.

                  But don't bother looking it up. Your little world will collapse. Just shove your head back up your ass where it's comfortable, and reminded d yourself how much better informed you are.

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                  • LarryL Larry

                    @xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                    @larry “close minded”. Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.

                    I think you’re the only true believer here, Larry.

                    Heres a conspiracy theory for you. Youll like it because youll get to shove your head up your ass a little further...

                    That Stacy Abrams I mentioned? You know, the one you refused to look into because your precious opinion might get challenged? The Stacy Abrams that you said the things I told you about her were just conspiracy theories? It was just reported on the news... on TV.. that her sister, a federal judge, is blocking the removal of votes cast by dead people.

                    But don't bother looking it up. Your little world will collapse. Just shove your head back up your ass where it's comfortable, and reminded d yourself how much better informed you are.

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                    @larry you’re talking about this? The issue seems to have to do with using USPS change of address to purge voter rolls.

                    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/stacey-abrams-sister-refuses-to-recuse-from-voter-fraud-case-blocks-purge/

                    What’s your point?

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                      Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

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                        @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                        Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

                        Biden didn't win anything. He was getting his clock cleaned until the fraud started. THAT is the reality. You are the one refusing to accept reality. Biden will be sworn in, that's a fact. But he is an illegitimate president, and a danger to the country. The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.

                        It's not my fault that both of you are intellectually dishonest.

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                        • LarryL Larry

                          @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                          Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

                          Biden didn't win anything. He was getting his clock cleaned until the fraud started. THAT is the reality. You are the one refusing to accept reality. Biden will be sworn in, that's a fact. But he is an illegitimate president, and a danger to the country. The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.

                          It's not my fault that both of you are intellectually dishonest.

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                          @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                          The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.

                          Just like there was 100% chance Trump would win (when I told you he wouldn’t) and you’d rub my nose in it when Trump won. Ok got it. 😂

                          My nose is awfully clean.

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

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                            @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                            Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

                            Yeah xenon. You’re just giving the pig an audience to watch you both roll in the mud. That’s what the pig wants. I chose a while ago not to engage with the pig. There’s nothing to be gained. He’s just a faceless old troll with a huge chip on his shoulder.

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                              @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                              @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                              The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.

                              Just like there was 100% chance Trump would win (when I told you he wouldn’t) and you’d rub my nose in it when Trump won. Ok got it. 😂

                              My nose is awfully clean.

                              Trump DID win. I only recognize legitimate votes. You are willing to accept dead people voting, fake ballots, and all the other illegal votes it took to steal the election. It's not my fault you and your party have no integrity.

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                                @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

                                Yeah xenon. You’re just giving the pig an audience to watch you both roll in the mud. That’s what the pig wants. I chose a while ago not to engage with the pig. There’s nothing to be gained. He’s just a faceless old troll with a huge chip on his shoulder.

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                                @nobodyssock said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go 😂

                                Yeah xenon. You’re just giving the pig an audience to watch you both roll in the mud. That’s what the pig wants. I chose a while ago not to engage with the pig. There’s nothing to be gained. He’s just a faceless old troll with a huge chip on his shoulder.

                                Fuck you, you mental midget.

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                                • LarryL Larry

                                  @89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                  @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                  The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.

                                  Just like there was 100% chance Trump would win (when I told you he wouldn’t) and you’d rub my nose in it when Trump won. Ok got it. 😂

                                  My nose is awfully clean.

                                  Trump DID win. I only recognize legitimate votes. You are willing to accept dead people voting, fake ballots, and all the other illegal votes it took to steal the election. It's not my fault you and your party have no integrity.

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                                  @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                  Trump DID win.

                                  Apparently not, since ultimately President Putin sent his congratulations to Mr. Biden. That means Mr. Biden won.

                                  Face it Larry, Trump lost. Went down in defeat. Shown the door. Pooped the bed.

                                  Rather bigly too, I might add.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    A landslide even.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      @renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                      @larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                      Trump DID win.

                                      Apparently not, since ultimately President Putin sent his congratulations to Mr. Biden. That means Mr. Biden won.

                                      Face it Larry, Trump lost. Went down in defeat. Shown the door. Pooped the bed.

                                      Rather bigly too, I might add.

                                      Sorry, but youre simply repeating the media spin. Trump won the legal vote. The illegal votes are what gave Biden his slim win. That's the whole point. Legal votes vs illegal votes.

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                                        The illegal votes like the ones Trump voters have admitted to? So the Biden landslide was even bigger than we think?

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/12/mr-hawleys-challenge-is-not.html
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                                          "Mr. Hawley’s challenge is not unprecedented... Democrats in both the House and Senate challenged certification of the 2004 election results..."

                                          "... and House Democrats tried on their own to challenge the 2016 and 2000 outcomes, though without Senate support. ... Senator Barbara Boxer of California... briefly delayed the certification of George W. Bush’s victory... cit[ing] claims that Ohio election officials had improperly purged voter rolls... which Mr. Bush carried by fewer than 120,000 votes. Nancy Pelosi, then the House Democratic leader, supported the challenge.... The House voted 267 to 31 against the challenge and the Senate rejected it 74 to 1... After the 2016 election, several House Democrats tried again, rising during the joint session to register challenges against Mr. Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in various states. The Democrats cited reasons ranging from long lines at polling sites to the Kremlin’s election influence operation."

                                          From "Hawley Answers Trump’s Call for Election Challenge/The Republican senator said he would object to certifying the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6, a move that is unlikely to alter President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory" (NYT)

                                          So... in the last three decades, every time a Republican won, Congressional Democrats challenged the certification of the election, and every time a Democrat won, Congressional Republicans did not challenge the certification.

                                          That certainly puts a different light on what Josh Hawley is doing!

                                          Either challenging the certification is the norm or it is not. It can't be the norm for Democrats and abnormal when a Republican does the same thing. Either Congress has a role in looking into the workings of the state elections or it does not. It can't be that the role is to question Republican victories and rubber-stamp Democratic victories.

                                          I can see — in the NYT write up — the basis for arguing that there actually should be a lopsided role. To fill out something I elided above: "In challenging those results Democrats cited claims that Ohio election officials had improperly purged voter rolls and otherwise disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters in the state...."

                                          The argument that's hinted at is that there should be heightened scrutiny where the challenge has to do with discrimination against a traditionally discriminated against group.

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                                          Emphases in original.

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                                          @george-k said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:

                                          "Mr. Hawley’s challenge is not unprecedented...

                                          Here's VP Biden shutting it down, saying IT'S OVER, and getting a standing ovation from the GOP. That’s the precedent for Pence to follow.

                                          Link to video

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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