Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry it’s your analogy man. I’m telling you it doesn’t work.
I know, cupcake. You just enjoy your delusion.
Now if you wanna talk about proof. You haven’t posted any. You posted a link to a truck driver a few days ago. I went beyond that and watched his vid conference and gave my thoughts. You didn’t reply.
I rarely post news links when talking to you. It’s generally futile
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https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/12/mr-hawleys-challenge-is-not.html
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"Mr. Hawley’s challenge is not unprecedented... Democrats in both the House and Senate challenged certification of the 2004 election results...""... and House Democrats tried on their own to challenge the 2016 and 2000 outcomes, though without Senate support. ... Senator Barbara Boxer of California... briefly delayed the certification of George W. Bush’s victory... cit[ing] claims that Ohio election officials had improperly purged voter rolls... which Mr. Bush carried by fewer than 120,000 votes. Nancy Pelosi, then the House Democratic leader, supported the challenge.... The House voted 267 to 31 against the challenge and the Senate rejected it 74 to 1... After the 2016 election, several House Democrats tried again, rising during the joint session to register challenges against Mr. Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in various states. The Democrats cited reasons ranging from long lines at polling sites to the Kremlin’s election influence operation."
So... in the last three decades, every time a Republican won, Congressional Democrats challenged the certification of the election, and every time a Democrat won, Congressional Republicans did not challenge the certification.
That certainly puts a different light on what Josh Hawley is doing!
Either challenging the certification is the norm or it is not. It can't be the norm for Democrats and abnormal when a Republican does the same thing. Either Congress has a role in looking into the workings of the state elections or it does not. It can't be that the role is to question Republican victories and rubber-stamp Democratic victories.
I can see — in the NYT write up — the basis for arguing that there actually should be a lopsided role. To fill out something I elided above: "In challenging those results Democrats cited claims that Ohio election officials had improperly purged voter rolls and otherwise disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters in the state...."
The argument that's hinted at is that there should be heightened scrutiny where the challenge has to do with discrimination against a traditionally discriminated against group.
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@george-k said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Either challenging the certification is the norm or it is not.
Seems like the wrong framing?
Seems like it can be a symbolic protest that nobody ever takes as anything but, or it can be an organized attempt to actually overturn an election result.
The former might be a yawn-worthy norm. The latter isn't.
And it should be obvious that an organized attempt to overturn an election result that fails, isn't the same as the symbolic gesture.
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@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@george-k said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Either challenging the certification is the norm or it is not.
Seems like the wrong framing?
Seems like it can be a symbolic protest that nobody ever takes as anything but, or it can be an organized attempt to actually overturn an election result.
The former might be a yawn-worthy norm. The latter isn't.
And it should be obvious that just because the latter fails that doesn't put it in the symbolic camp.
You know it’s been four years of chicken little. It sounds so much like the boy who cried wolf. But but but this time the Russian agent is going to end democracy. Yawn.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry it’s your analogy man. I’m telling you it doesn’t work.
I know, cupcake. You just enjoy your delusion.
Now if you wanna talk about proof. You haven’t posted any. You posted a link to a truck driver a few days ago. I went beyond that and watched his vid conference and gave my thoughts. You didn’t reply.
You weren't the only one who dug into that case. But when someone looks at the "proof" behind it and points out it has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, there's nothing but crickets to be heard. Same with the "1 in a quadrillion" statistic.
The strategy seems to be:
- throw around some nice sounding assertions as if they are undisputable facts, no matter how thin the actual proof is
- if it is pointed out that the proof is extremely weak or nonexistent, ignore it
- when you're starting to run out of assertions, just move on to the next set
- whatever happens, keep claiming that anyone who denies that the election was stolen simply has no understanding of the situation or gets his/her info from the wrong sources
- when asked to present further proof, just throw smoke by introducing another topic like climate change which has plenty of misinformation that you can abuse to show how ignorant your opponent is
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@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry it’s your analogy man. I’m telling you it doesn’t work.
I know, cupcake. You just enjoy your delusion.
Now if you wanna talk about proof. You haven’t posted any. You posted a link to a truck driver a few days ago. I went beyond that and watched his vid conference and gave my thoughts. You didn’t reply.
You weren't the only one who dug into that case. But when someone looks at the "proof" behind it and points out it has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, there's nothing but crickets to be heard. Same with the "1 in a quadrillion" statistic.
The strategy seems to be:
- throw around some nice sounding assertions as if they are undisputable facts, no matter how thin the actual proof is
- if it is pointed out that the proof is extremely weak or nonexistent, ignore it
- when you're starting to run out of assertions, just move on to the next set
- whatever happens, keep claiming that anyone who denies that the election was stolen simply has no understanding of the situation or gets his/her info from the wrong sources
- when asked to present further proof, just throw smoke by introducing another topic like climate change which has plenty of misinformation that you can abuse to show how ignorant your opponent is
Well done! What I would like to know is when do all of these attempts of overturning the election become treasonous?
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The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.
I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.
And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.
And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..
My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.
I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.
And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.
And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..
My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.
The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.
I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.
And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.
And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..
My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.
The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?
Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.
I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.
And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.
And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..
My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.
The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?
Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.
I’ll take the Republican state officials’ and Bill Barr’s position over yours that there wasn’t wide-scale election fraud.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The treason occurred when the democrats stole the election. If you think the democrats did NOT steal the election, then you're an idiot.
I think it's hilarious, actually - the very people who demanding we accept the election results are the same ones who still haven't accepted the election results 4 years ago.
And not a damned one of you have given one single reason for supporting Biden. All you've done is scream about Trump. Did you know that in a speech yesterday, Biden called Kameltoe Harris the president elect? The man is senile!! Yet you're so busy focusing on Trump and getting him out of office that you are willing to install a guy who this time next year won't even know who he is.
And all this "You haven't shown me any proof" bull shit.. DAMN man, as they say.. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Biden did not win this election. He got his ASS KICKED, just like he got it kicked the other 2 times he ran. The difference is this time he had a radicalized and treasonous democrat Left to steal it for him. That's one reason the bastard hid in his basement the entire campaign. Kind of hard to explain after the steal how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up at a rally ends up getting more votes than Obama.. and you say that's not a valid observation, and then call yourself "informed"..
My God... there's no hope for this world if you Lefties don't learn how to think rationally.
The Republican state officials from Georgia are Democrats?
Have you heard of Stacy Abrams? She's a democrat. She tried to steal the governorship in Georgia a couple of years ago. She was caught registering dead people. She was caught ballot harvesting. She's been caught again, with lots of mail in ballots coming in for next week's election from dead people. Why don't you take some time to study the situation in Georgia instead of tossing out stale media talking points that are irrelevant to what's going on?.
I’ll take the Republican state officials’ and Bill Barr’s position over yours that there wasn’t wide-scale election fraud.
The sound of a head shoving itself up the ass where it's comfortable. Just admit it - You only want to hear what you want to hear, and your constant whining about "show me the proof" is just bull shit. You have not, nor never intend, to look at anything that might prove you wrong.
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@larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.
They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.
You read Twitter kooks.
So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.
And you can keep repeating your bullshit that I don’t look into claims of election fraud. It’s of immense interest to me how people can believe this crap with no evidence.
Remember - the President declared victory on the night of the election while counting was still happening.
They didn’t need evidence then and they don’t need it now.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry no Larry. The folks that I’ve mentioned are not Democrat and have no incentive to shove their heads up their asses.
They also have first hand knowledge of the situation at hand.
You read Twitter kooks.
So it’s an easy choice on who to believe.
Fuck you. You've proven to me that you're disingenuous and closed minded. I'm not going to argue with a moron.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry “close minded”. Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.
I think you’re the only true believer here, Larry.
Heres a conspiracy theory for you. Youll like it because youll get to shove your head up your ass a little further...
That Stacy Abrams I mentioned? You know, the one you refused to look into because your precious opinion might get challenged? The Stacy Abrams that you said the things I told you about her were just conspiracy theories? It was just reported on the news... on TV.. that her sister, a federal judge, is blocking the removal of votes cast by dead people.
But don't bother looking it up. Your little world will collapse. Just shove your head back up your ass where it's comfortable, and reminded d yourself how much better informed you are.
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@larry you’re talking about this? The issue seems to have to do with using USPS change of address to purge voter rolls.
What’s your point?
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@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Lol @xenon it’s best not to engage anymore. Biden won by a bigger landslide according to Trump’s OWN metric. Larry has refused to accept reality, it’s OK, just let it go
Biden didn't win anything. He was getting his clock cleaned until the fraud started. THAT is the reality. You are the one refusing to accept reality. Biden will be sworn in, that's a fact. But he is an illegitimate president, and a danger to the country. The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.
It's not my fault that both of you are intellectually dishonest.
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The truth WILL come out, and if I'm still in this country when it does I'm going to thoroughly enjoy shoving your nose in the shit you shovel.
Just like there was 100% chance Trump would win (when I told you he wouldn’t) and you’d rub my nose in it when Trump won. Ok got it.
My nose is awfully clean.
