Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as valid as the opinion that Biden won. All facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election. Court after court has found this based on the lack of evidence. Opinions and feelings are not evidence. Even Trump’s call with Georgia...every conspiracy theory he suggested was debunked. Every. Single. One.
It’s not about opinions, it’s about reality. Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak, not counting votes.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 12:55 last edited by@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as valid as the opinion that Biden won. All facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election. Court after court has found this based on the lack of evidence. Opinions and feelings are not evidence. Even Trump’s call with Georgia...every conspiracy theory he suggested was debunked. Every. Single. One.
It’s not about opinions, it’s about reality. Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak, not counting votes.
Stop making sense and talking about facts!! That just gets in the way!!! LOL
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as valid as the opinion that Biden won. All facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election. Court after court has found this based on the lack of evidence. Opinions and feelings are not evidence. Even Trump’s call with Georgia...every conspiracy theory he suggested was debunked. Every. Single. One.
It’s not about opinions, it’s about reality. Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak, not counting votes.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:33 last edited by@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as
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Inhofe hedged on who he thought might be to blame for what happened, but he allowed that Trump did not do enough to stop it.
“He’s only put out one statement that I’m aware of,” Inhofe said. “This was really a riot. He should have shown more disdain for the rioters. I don’t want to say he should have apologized — that’s not exactly accurate — but he should have expressed more disdain.”
Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.
By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.
“I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.
“I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:40 last edited by Klaus 1 Jul 2021, 13:43@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as valid as the opinion that Biden won. All facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election. Court after court has found this based on the lack of evidence. Opinions and feelings are not evidence. Even Trump’s call with Georgia...every conspiracy theory he suggested was debunked. Every. Single. One.
It’s not about opinions, it’s about reality. Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak, not counting votes.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:41 last edited by@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak
That said, it is a fact that cooking a steak well-done is a waste of good meat. Or isn't it?
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Inhofe hedged on who he thought might be to blame for what happened, but he allowed that Trump did not do enough to stop it.
“He’s only put out one statement that I’m aware of,” Inhofe said. “This was really a riot. He should have shown more disdain for the rioters. I don’t want to say he should have apologized — that’s not exactly accurate — but he should have expressed more disdain.”
Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.
By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.
“I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.
“I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:42 last edited by@george-k said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Inhofe hedged on who he thought might be to blame for what happened, but he allowed that Trump did not do enough to stop it.
“He’s only put out one statement that I’m aware of,” Inhofe said. “This was really a riot. He should have shown more disdain for the rioters. I don’t want to say he should have apologized — that’s not exactly accurate — but he should have expressed more disdain.”
Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.
By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.
“I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.
“I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”
Once again, I'm left feeling very sorry for Mike Pence.
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:46 last edited by@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
Typical fucking German.
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@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
Typical fucking German.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 13:49 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
Typical fucking German.
Fucking is a town in Austria, not Germany, goddammit.
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@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
Typical fucking German.
Fucking is a town in Austria, not Germany, goddammit.
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@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
I go out of my way to point out that (99% of the time) I'm not talking about any specific individual. You see what you want to see, I see some individuals who think I'm talking about them personally every time I say something. If you have trouble sorting it out its not my fault.
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@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours
Half the country doesn’t think Trump won...that right there is a perfect example of why facts matter and it’s not about opinions.
The opinion that the election was stolen is not as valid as the opinion that Biden won. All facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election. Court after court has found this based on the lack of evidence. Opinions and feelings are not evidence. Even Trump’s call with Georgia...every conspiracy theory he suggested was debunked. Every. Single. One.
It’s not about opinions, it’s about reality. Opinions are valid when it comes to cooking steak, not counting votes.
Naturally if half think he won, then half thinks he didn't. That the election was stolen is not opinion, it's fact. YOU are the one pushing your opinion on there, not the other way around. The statement "all facts and evidence support a Biden win and a fair election" is false. Either you're a liar or you're just ignorant, take your pick. No court has listened to any evidence. That is another case where youre either a liar or just ignorant. You also mischaracterize Trump's call to Georgia.
So shove your opinion - and that's ALL you have - square up your ass.
wrote on 8 Jan 2021, 03:40 last edited by@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
That the election was stolen is not opinion, it's fact.
LOL, OK
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@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
I go out of my way to point out that (99% of the time) I'm not talking about any specific individual. You see what you want to see, I see some individuals who think I'm talking about them personally every time I say something. If you have trouble sorting it out its not my fault.
wrote on 8 Jan 2021, 09:59 last edited by@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
the side who believes this election was stolen feels
Too much "believes" and "feels" - we have laws for a reason.
Once feels > laws - then, I agree, we have a whole whack of new problems.
For longer than you've been alive your side has based it's entire worldview on "believing" and "feeling". You just jumped the shark.
Who are you talking to? You quoted my post.
It should be obvious that I'm talking to you.
The problem is that you seem to be unable to distinguish "individual who disagrees with me on point X" from "the other tribe, which I hate". You do this every day on this forum. There is no uniform "other tribe". If you want to have a productive conversation with people, you need to address them as individuals, not as members of a tribe. You always seem to need a box with a label in which you can put people and treat them all the same.
I go out of my way to point out that (99% of the time) I'm not talking about any specific individual. You see what you want to see, I see some individuals who think I'm talking about them personally every time I say something. If you have trouble sorting it out its not my fault.
No, it's quite often not at all clear. Also, who are you talking to when you are not talking to an individual? Can, whoever you attack, defend himself/herself here?