Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 11:54 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Jun 2021, 11:55
The chaos would be the massive popular uprising in response to a low-T coup. No one would notice the vacancies in the bureaucracy.
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Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:00 last edited by@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:00 last edited by
I think it would be noticed. Maybe not massively, but eventually the many small hitches in the giddyap would have an effect.
GSA Guy: "Wait, what? We've already removed over half of the Trump portraits, and you want us to put them back???"
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@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:02 last edited by@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
Yes, but with a bureacracy this huge, those layers can be complicated to determine.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:03 last edited by
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:06 last edited by Klaus 1 Jun 2021, 12:07@89th I agree, but it seems to be one of Trump's "contributions" to political culture that it isn't.
My explanation is that a large part of the public sees him as a kind of "crazy uncle" who doesn't need to be taken seriously.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:07 last edited by@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
Trump supporters here say it's obvious we shouldn't trust the election result, but they expect us to trust this guy?
What on earth has he done to earn anybody's trust?
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Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 13:20 last edited by Jolly 1 Jun 2021, 13:20@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
I can't see it being that big of a deal. Happens all the time.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 13:49 last edited by
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 14:29 last edited by
I feel sorry for VP Pence. Lol
I think he thought he was going to get through this, and be ready for 2024. Now, no matter what he does he’s going to make someone upset. I’m sure he’s deciding which side is worse to make upset
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I feel sorry for VP Pence. Lol
I think he thought he was going to get through this, and be ready for 2024. Now, no matter what he does he’s going to make someone upset. I’m sure he’s deciding which side is worse to make upset
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 14:50 last edited byI don't know what 'lane' he fancies himself to be in, but I see his best shot as a compromise candidate if neither the leading Trumpy folks nor the leading establishment folks can eek out a lead.
In which case, he's probably doing the right thing. Being vocal about supporting the Senate attempt while saying 'sorry my hands are tied' with respect to his own role.
(Of course if Trump runs in 24, it would be '28 I'm talking about.)
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 16:07 last edited by
If Mr. Trump wins this election, is that more or less of a surprise than the victory over Ms. Clinton?
At this point I'd say it would be more of a surprise, but it wouldn't feel as good.
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If Mr. Trump wins this election, is that more or less of a surprise than the victory over Ms. Clinton?
At this point I'd say it would be more of a surprise, but it wouldn't feel as good.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 16:24 last edited by@copper said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
If Mr. Trump wins this election, is that more or less of a surprise than the victory over Ms. Clinton?
You posted this question 3 months late.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 16:26 last edited by
Trump is a winner in the hearts and minds of all decent people.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 16:58 last edited by
@horace said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Trump is a winner in the hearts and minds of all decent people.
His life is a series of wins, followed by a loss, then a bigger win.
Casino mogul gone bust -> Reality TV superstar gone stale -> President who lost after one term and brought congress down with him -> Emperor of the Galactic Federation? Overthrown by?...
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 17:00 last edited by
The only potential hang-up (IMO) is the PA State Legislature request yesterday, and even that is too little/too late. They really needed to raise their objections regarding the PA Supreme Court and the Governor's actions before the election. Even then, they had 2 months to take action and didn't. At any rate the PA Electors alone aren't enough...
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The only potential hang-up (IMO) is the PA State Legislature request yesterday, and even that is too little/too late. They really needed to raise their objections regarding the PA Supreme Court and the Governor's actions before the election. Even then, they had 2 months to take action and didn't. At any rate the PA Electors alone aren't enough...
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 17:23 last edited byIt wasn’t the legislature, it was some legislators.
And their issues were already adjudicated by the PA Supreme Court.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 18:04 last edited by
@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
The pure HATE that you and the rest of the Trump haters here spew is just stunning. I'm serious. All of you are suffering from a deep psychotic break.
First, there's a huge difference between losing because the other guy got more legitimate votes, and losing because the other guy benefited from election fraud. If you keep shoving that "he lost" line down our ( the half of the country that sees this differently than you do) couched in your attitude of "and if you don't believe what I believe you're crazy" tone, this cold war is going to get hot.
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours, we are just as smart as you are, we are just as well informed as you are, bit because the fraud that occurred was "death by a thousand cuts" instead of one big go to event that you would have no choice but to acknowledge, you insist on repeatedly insulting us by mocking our views, and refusing to even consider the poi d's we make.
Lastly, before you get too high and mighty in attacking and mocking us, what will happen in Congress today (challenging the vote count) has been done before. In fact, the democrats did it the last three republicans to be elected.
Two days ago Trump held a rally in Georgia ahead of the vote. Something like 20,000 people showed up. Biden held a rally too. Almost no one showed up. As we speak, Trump is holding as rally in DC. Tens of thousands of people are there. Yet you expect us to accept that a man who can't draw enough interest to fill a school bus who keeps referring to the "Harris presidency" legitimately won the election and refuse to listen to things like Detroit having 139% voter turnout...
Oh think we are nuts. We think you are nuts. Fine, both sides thinks the other side is nuts. But if you keep shoving this shit down our throats without allowing for a resolution, and mocking us, I am telling you the lid is going to blow off this thing and the damage will be beyond repair.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 18:47 last edited by
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
The pure HATE that you and the rest of the Trump haters here spew is just stunning. I'm serious. All of you are suffering from a deep psychotic break.
First, there's a huge difference between losing because the other guy got more legitimate votes, and losing because the other guy benefited from election fraud. If you keep shoving that "he lost" line down our ( the half of the country that sees this differently than you do) couched in your attitude of "and if you don't believe what I believe you're crazy" tone, this cold war is going to get hot.
You think he "lost". Me and half of this country thinks he won, but the election was stolen. Our opinion is just as valid as yours, we are just as smart as you are, we are just as well informed as you are, bit because the fraud that occurred was "death by a thousand cuts" instead of one big go to event that you would have no choice but to acknowledge, you insist on repeatedly insulting us by mocking our views, and refusing to even consider the poi d's we make.
Lastly, before you get too high and mighty in attacking and mocking us, what will happen in Congress today (challenging the vote count) has been done before. In fact, the democrats did it the last three republicans to be elected.
Two days ago Trump held a rally in Georgia ahead of the vote. Something like 20,000 people showed up. Biden held a rally too. Almost no one showed up. As we speak, Trump is holding as rally in DC. Tens of thousands of people are there. Yet you expect us to accept that a man who can't draw enough interest to fill a school bus who keeps referring to the "Harris presidency" legitimately won the election and refuse to listen to things like Detroit having 139% voter turnout...
Oh think we are nuts. We think you are nuts. Fine, both sides thinks the other side is nuts. But if you keep shoving this shit down our throats without allowing for a resolution, and mocking us, I am telling you the lid is going to blow off this thing and the damage will be beyond repair.
Larry, Detroit voter turnout was 50%. Roughly 250K out of 500K registered voters.
As far as rallies vs voters, Kanye’s had concerts with hundreds of thousands of attendees... That didn’t translate into votes.
