Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election
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@nobodyssock said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
He would have lost to anyone thrown against him. Most voted to oust him, not for any love of current candidate. They have had enough of irrational and irratic leadership.
Sort of like why Trump won in 2016. His opposition was not well liked. Didn't stop anybody of accusing those who voted for him of worshipping him.
wrote on 5 Jan 2021, 16:55 last edited by@horace said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Sort of like why Trump won in 2016. His opposition was not well liked. Didn't stop anybody of accusing those who voted for him of worshipping him.
Not so much in the beginning,
but now I think we have all learned to worship him.
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He would have lost to anyone thrown against him. Most voted to oust him, not for any love of current candidate. They have had enough of irrational and irratic leadership.
wrote on 5 Jan 2021, 17:34 last edited by@nobodyssock said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
He would have lost to anyone thrown against him. Most voted to oust him, not for any love of current candidate. They have had enough of irrational and irratic leadership.
Dude, have another beer.
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@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
I don't get it.
Larry is living in an alternate reality, with his buddy Trump. PURE DENIAL that Trump lost.
Trump lost a rigged election. I haven't looked at numbers lately, but at one time that was the opinion of the majority of voters.
Hang on a minute, earlier it was 50 million, then it was 80 million, now it's a majority of voters?
Did you just find an additional 30 million votes? Even Trump couldn't manage that, and that knobhead can do anything!
wrote on 5 Jan 2021, 17:36 last edited by Jolly 1 May 2021, 17:36@doctor-phibes said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
I don't get it.
Larry is living in an alternate reality, with his buddy Trump. PURE DENIAL that Trump lost.
Trump lost a rigged election. I haven't looked at numbers lately, but at one time that was the opinion of the majority of voters.
Hang on a minute, earlier it was 50 million, then it was 80 million, now it's a majority of voters?
Did you just find an additional 30 million votes? Even Trump couldn't manage that, and that knobhead can do anything!
You're confusing Trump voters, registered Republican voters and all registered voters. As I said, I haven't looked in awhile, but at one time it was a majority of voters, whether they voted for Trump, or not.
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@doctor-phibes Have you not been looking at the weather reports?
wrote on 5 Jan 2021, 17:45 last edited by Renauda 1 May 2021, 20:18@mik said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@doctor-phibes Have you not been looking at the weather reports?
Actually it's been unseasonably mild where I live. A good winter not to travel.
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Plus, how would 'Trump underperformed down ballot republicans' even conceivably be evidence of fraud?
Like the fraudsters could figure out how to get ballots that were properly printed and coded, sneak them into hundreds of different polling locations, slip them into the counters without anyone noticing, cover all their tracks, etc.... but filling in those two extra bubbles for the House and Senate candidates was just too complicated?
I don't get it.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 00:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Plus, how would 'Trump underperformed down ballot republicans' even conceivably be evidence of fraud?
Like the fraudsters could figure out how to get ballots that were properly printed and coded, sneak them into hundreds of different polling locations, slip them into the counters without anyone noticing, cover all their tracks, etc.... but filling in those two extra bubbles for the House and Senate candidates was just too complicated?
I don't get it.
Just because!! That is why.
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@rainman Actually it's a Trotskyist.
Once you have that down we can work on a what a Groucho Marxist might be.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 11:24 last edited by@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Once you have that down we can work on a what a Groucho Marxist might be.
Say the magic woid and win two hundred dollahs.
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@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jon-nyc said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
And I don't count never Trumper RINO s as "long standing conservatives".It doesn’t matter if you don’t consider them conservative, all that matters is that they vote split ticket.
Like I did, by the way.
I’ll bet a number of people here did.
Yup. There is nothing worse than people thinking that only one party is the solution to every problem there is in a country. That kind of “blind faith” will end badly.
“OMG, if only the (insert party name here) controlled everything, life would be so much better. We would all run through fields alongside unicorns and someone would throw rose petals on our heads.”
The best for the US is when things are split in the power. Maybe not as much gets done, but what does get done is more towards the center than any extreme.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 11:31 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
The best for the US is when things are split in the power. Maybe not as much gets done, but what does get done is more towards the center than any extreme.
I just love you to pieces, TG. Wiser words were never spoke here.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 11:52 last edited by
Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 11:54 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Jun 2021, 11:55
The chaos would be the massive popular uprising in response to a low-T coup. No one would notice the vacancies in the bureaucracy.
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Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:00 last edited by@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:00 last edited by
I think it would be noticed. Maybe not massively, but eventually the many small hitches in the giddyap would have an effect.
GSA Guy: "Wait, what? We've already removed over half of the Trump portraits, and you want us to put them back???"
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@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:02 last edited by@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Why would a lower-level public employee need a new job when the POTUS changes? I assume it's mainly the top two or three layers of the hierarchy that are affected by this.
Yes, but with a bureacracy this huge, those layers can be complicated to determine.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:06 last edited by Klaus 1 Jun 2021, 12:07@89th I agree, but it seems to be one of Trump's "contributions" to political culture that it isn't.
My explanation is that a large part of the public sees him as a kind of "crazy uncle" who doesn't need to be taken seriously.
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@xenon said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 12:07 last edited by@89th said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Am I taking crazy pills? How is this not the biggest political scandal/blunder in the last 100 years? A sitting president making this type of statement to throw out an election he lost?
Trump supporters here say it's obvious we shouldn't trust the election result, but they expect us to trust this guy?
What on earth has he done to earn anybody's trust?
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Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
wrote on 6 Jan 2021, 13:20 last edited by Jolly 1 Jun 2021, 13:20@catseye3 said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Here's another thought experiment for you Trump-won-yes-he-DIDsters to chew on.
Say a miracle happens, and one of Trump's many machinations actually works to put him back in office. (I know, but just pretend.)
Do you have any idea how much work of the transition has already been done to this point? Not just in DC, but all over the country? Hundreds, maybe thousands, of upper and lower level public employees have already left or are actively searching for jobs elsewhere (though many are permanent despite the new administration's party). Not just the employees, but their spouses also being involved in relocation challenges, their kids exiting schools, and so on.
And things like preparing Biden's official portrait, preparing the new presidential stationary, and hundreds of other tasks, large and small.
Then suddenly it's oops, we goofed, and Trump is back in. Can you imagine the chaos?
I can't see it being that big of a deal. Happens all the time.
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I feel sorry for VP Pence. Lol
I think he thought he was going to get through this, and be ready for 2024. Now, no matter what he does he’s going to make someone upset. I’m sure he’s deciding which side is worse to make upset
