What a way to spend Christmas
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@aqua-letifer said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Sure but the overall point I think is sound.
Yes, the point is sound, without question.
The point is that you can say whatever you want about Mr. Trump and it becomes truth.
Go ahead, try it.
Say he didn't do something, anything.
Someone will chime in, agreeing that he is a petulant child because of something you made up.
Really.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 16:33 last edited by@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@aqua-letifer said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Sure but the overall point I think is sound.
Yes, the point is sound, without question.
The point is that you can say whatever you want about Mr. Trump and it becomes truth.
Go ahead, try it.
Say he didn't do something, anything.
Someone will chime in, agreeing that he is a petulant child because of something you made up.
Really.
That is EXACTLY what they do.
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@aqua-letifer said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Sure but the overall point I think is sound.
Yes, the point is sound, without question.
The point is that you can say whatever you want about Mr. Trump and it becomes truth.
Go ahead, try it.
Say he didn't do something, anything.
Someone will chime in, agreeing that he is a petulant child because of something you made up.
Really.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 16:36 last edited by@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@aqua-letifer said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Sure but the overall point I think is sound.
Yes, the point is sound, without question.
The point is that you can say whatever you want about Mr. Trump and it becomes truth.
Go ahead, try it.
Say he didn't do something, anything.
Someone will chime in, agreeing that he is a petulant child because of something you made up.
Really.
He's the greatest President since Lincoln.
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@klaus said in What a way to spend Christmas:
This recent one stuck out to me as being exemplary for how Trump accumulates
knowledgeconfirmation bias.Fixed it for you.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 16:52 last edited by@jon-nyc said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@klaus said in What a way to spend Christmas:
This recent one stuck out to me as being exemplary for how Trump accumulates
knowledgeconfirmation bias.Fixed it for you.
True, but that's not my main point. Many people suffer from confirmation bias. You can also exhibit confirmation bias in the selection of reputable sources. But a pervasive theme in his communication is this folksy "many friends told me" thing. The thing his friends/military men/aliens/... told him is always of course supporting what he said all along, but my point is that he's seemingly deliberately avoiding any source of information that tries to provide more than anecdotal evidence for something, i.e., something that is based on an acknowledged corpus of data or comes from a reputable source (such as: a collection of experts in a field). Maybe that's part of his anti-elitism shtick?
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@jon-nyc said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@klaus said in What a way to spend Christmas:
This recent one stuck out to me as being exemplary for how Trump accumulates
knowledgeconfirmation bias.Fixed it for you.
True, but that's not my main point. Many people suffer from confirmation bias. You can also exhibit confirmation bias in the selection of reputable sources. But a pervasive theme in his communication is this folksy "many friends told me" thing. The thing his friends/military men/aliens/... told him is always of course supporting what he said all along, but my point is that he's seemingly deliberately avoiding any source of information that tries to provide more than anecdotal evidence for something, i.e., something that is based on an acknowledged corpus of data or comes from a reputable source (such as: a collection of experts in a field). Maybe that's part of his anti-elitism shtick?
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 16:59 last edited by@klaus said in What a way to spend Christmas:
aliens
See, Klaus hates Donald Trump and his Winning so much he's saying Trump converses with aliens! Bad Klaus! TDS!
TDS!
TDS.
It's so obviously TDS.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 17:02 last edited by
Actually, I suffer from both TDS and Anti-TDS simultaneously. It's pretty bad.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 17:06 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Grievance tweeting.
The replies to the tweet are quite revealing to what Twitter has enabled in the American psyche. Makes the original tweet look pristine.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 17:14 last edited by
At the end of the day, he's right. She has a good sense of fashion and elegance, moreso than her husband. In fact, not since Jackie has the White House seen such a sense of style.
First Ladies and the Christmas season usually generate multiple stories and mag covers. Ms. Trump, not as much.
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At the end of the day, he's right. She has a good sense of fashion and elegance, moreso than her husband. In fact, not since Jackie has the White House seen such a sense of style.
First Ladies and the Christmas season usually generate multiple stories and mag covers. Ms. Trump, not as much.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 17:52 last edited by xenon@jolly said in What a way to spend Christmas:
At the end of the day, he's right. She has a good sense of fashion and elegance, moreso than her husband. In fact, not since Jackie has the White House seen such a sense of style.
First Ladies and the Christmas season usually generate multiple stories and mag covers. Ms. Trump, not as much.
A cover story typically goes with an interview. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Melania interview in any context.
Also, fashion magazines are not a government-sanctioned meritocracy or something. Do the readers of high-fashion magazines want Melania Trump stories?
The bigger problem here is that Trump is a man-child.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:04 last edited by
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
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Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:14 last edited by xenon@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Yes, of course that is the bigger problem
The man-child thing
He is a man-child
That is how he built his business, by being a man-child
That is how he became president of the United States, he is a man-child
That is all he is, a man-child
That is the problem, the man-child
So being POTUS and having money absolve you of character flaws, or mean you can’t have character flaws?
Trump is a whiny, small man. Having money doesn’t change that.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:26 last edited by
Why do you think having money absolves you of character flaws?
Having money is one thing.
Having consistent spectacular success in multiple fields certainly lowers the likelihood of being a man-child.
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Why do you think having money absolves you of character flaws?
Having money is one thing.
Having consistent spectacular success in multiple fields certainly lowers the likelihood of being a man-child.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:41 last edited by@copper said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Having consistent spectacular success in multiple fields certainly lowers the likelihood of being a man-child.
Yet, here we are.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:47 last edited by
He is clearly an extraordinary human, and indeed an extraordinary winner. He is showing some of his most ridiculous traits these days, post-loss. But the fact that he is an extraordinary winner is a necessary ingredient of the hatred he's been targeted by.
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He is clearly an extraordinary human, and indeed an extraordinary winner. He is showing some of his most ridiculous traits these days, post-loss. But the fact that he is an extraordinary winner is a necessary ingredient of the hatred he's been targeted by.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 19:55 last edited by@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
He is clearly an extraordinary human, and indeed an extraordinary winner. He is showing some of his most ridiculous traits these days, post-loss. But the fact that he is an extraordinary winner is a necessary ingredient of the hatred he's been targeted by.
You call them “most ridiculous traits”, I call it being a man-child.
On his winning streak. In terms of money, power and influence - he’s been insanely successful.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
He is clearly an extraordinary human, and indeed an extraordinary winner. He is showing some of his most ridiculous traits these days, post-loss. But the fact that he is an extraordinary winner is a necessary ingredient of the hatred he's been targeted by.
You call them “most ridiculous traits”, I call it being a man-child.
On his winning streak. In terms of money, power and influence - he’s been insanely successful.
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@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:03 last edited by@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
Well - ridicule typically follows actions that warrant ridicule. (Say for example a man acting like a child)
To what extent he engineered the personality, I don’t know. Maybe, he was already purpose-built for the moment.
But again, I’ll agree. His shamelessness is his greatest superpower.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon I choose ridiculous intentionally. In that it leaves him open to public ridicule. I mean even more than he has been. He has intentionally engineered a personality immune from ridicule.
Well - ridicule typically follows actions that warrant ridicule. (Say for example a man acting like a child)
To what extent he engineered the personality, I don’t know. Maybe, he was already purpose-built for the moment.
But again, I’ll agree. His shamelessness is his greatest superpower.
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wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:07 last edited by
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
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@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:21 last edited by@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
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@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
wrote on 27 Dec 2020, 20:24 last edited by xenon@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@xenon said in What a way to spend Christmas:
@horace said in What a way to spend Christmas:
Pick a better superpower.
I wish he would. But then, he wouldn’t be him.
It goes none of the way towards an explanation of why he wins. I think in more unbiased contexts, we would all say that politicians are shameless as a species.
Trump wins in politics because he’s an effective fighter on some key culture war topics (immigration, the relative devaluing of American labor, patriotism, etc.). He’s not winning because of policy.
And on shamelessness (being petulant, being consistent with your self, etc.) - he’s in a different galaxy than other politicians. This is the extraordinary part about him. I can picture other people being effective and winning with a similar, clear posture on culture. What makes Trump unique is his shamelessness. I don’t see that being replicated. That’s why I called it a superpower.