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@aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
What the actual fuck.
I know, right? TF was he doing in the Capitol?
@jon-nyc said in A stealth operation:
@aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
What the actual fuck.
I know, right? TF was he doing in the Capitol?
Seriously? We're going to get all SJW on this now?
Did you actually look into the matter? No, of course you didn't. The AOC had an answer to your question, but they've removed the page from their website. Here's what the page used to say regarding the statue, which completely answers your question:
This statue of Robert E. Lee was given to the National Statuary Hall Collection by Virginia in 1909.
Born into a famous Virginia family on January 19, 1807, Robert E. Lee served his state with great devotion all his life. His family lived at Stratford and later Alexandria, Virginia. At the United States Military Academy he distinguished himself in both scholastics and martial exercises. He was adjutant of the corps and graduated second in the class of 1829. As a career officer, he served in posts in Georgia and Virginia and as commander of the light batteries, with General Scott, in the Mexican War. He served as superintendent of the U.S. Military Academy from 1848 to 1852. Although he was made lieutenant colonel of the Second Cavalry, family problems forced him into inactive duty for over two years.
When the South seceded, Lee reluctantly resigned from the army, hoping to avoid participation in the war he deplored. However, a sense of duty to his state made him accept command of the Virginia forces. His successful strategy, his tactical skill, and the confidence of his troops earned him the respect of the Confederate leaders. President Jefferson Davis appointed him commander of the Army of Northern Virginia on April 1, 1862.
The next three years demanded all Lee's strength until he was forced to surrender to General Ulysses S. Grant on April 9, 1865. Lee was paroled and accepted the presidency of Washington College (now Washington and Lee) in Lexington, Virginia. He served in that capacity from September 1865 until his death on October 12, 1870.By the way, jon, Confederate soldiers were considered American veterans. I know you probably hate that, but them's the breaks.
The wording of the statements is interesting:
“The Confederacy is a symbol of Virginia’s racist and divisive history, and it is past time we tell our story with images of perseverance, diversity, and inclusion. I look forward to seeing a trailblazing young woman of color represent Virginia in the U.S. Capitol, where visitors will learn about Barbara Johns’ contributions to America and be empowered to create positive change in their communities just like she did.”
“Confederate images do not represent who we are in Virginia. That’s why we voted unanimously to remove this statue,”
In other words, "we're not willing to go so far as to call Robert E. Lee a racist. But only because not enough people have made that opinion popular; we'd say it in a heartbeat if we thought the mob wanted us to."
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Dude I was fucking with you.
I wish we could make a distinction between those who are honored despite their misdeeds and those who are honored because of them.
But we can't, apparently.
So yeah, King Jon-NYC would remove the confederate statues from government buildings and lands (save battlefields, museums, etc) but keep all the founders.
But I misinterpreted your post on purpose just to tweak you.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
Another thing:“Confederate images do not represent who we are in Virginia. That’s why we voted unanimously to remove this statue,”
Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.
They can blackwash history all they want, but the surest way to perpetuate mistakes is to never examine them publicly. (Except for maybe Horace, who has no use for such things.)
Please love yourself.
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Dude I was fucking with you.
I wish we could make a distinction between those who are honored despite their misdeeds and those who are honored because of them.
But we can't, apparently.
So yeah, King Jon-NYC would remove the confederate statues from government buildings and lands (save battlefields, museums, etc) but keep all the founders.
But I misinterpreted your post on purpose just to tweak you.
@jon-nyc said in A stealth operation:
So yeah, King Jon-NYC would remove the confederate statues from government buildings and lands (save battlefields, museums, etc) but keep all the founders.
I wouldn't do that.
Most gun-control liberals hold amazingly stupid beliefs regarding such. Stephen King, on the other hand, makes a very sensible case for gun control from his perspective, because he's also a gun owner and an NRA member. He's educated himself.
I'd make history as public and as visible as possible. We need more education, not less. Keep as many uncomfortable statues and monuments around and in public view. Confront the past and learn from it. If that's too triggering, go back to your safe space on the couch a don't come out until you've read a goddamn book.
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Oh come on, like those are the two choices.
I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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citing-preservation-of-history-town-refuses-to-remove-hitler-statue
“We also need to make sure that our children are educated,” said Red Knack. “The other day, I was walking with my toddler son in the square, and he asked me ‘Daddy, who is Adolf Hitler?’ And I responded, ‘He killed millions of people, and that’s why we need to have a statue of him, instead of the victims, so that we never forget him.
And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”
I was only joking
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Old heros to some, mass murderers to others:
As Jon stated probably best left in cemeteries and museums.
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Oh come on, like those are the two choices.
I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.
@jon-nyc said in A stealth operation:
Oh come on, like those are the two choices.
I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.
No, not the only two choices, that's just how I'd go and why. Lee is not Stalin or anywhere close.
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citing-preservation-of-history-town-refuses-to-remove-hitler-statue
“We also need to make sure that our children are educated,” said Red Knack. “The other day, I was walking with my toddler son in the square, and he asked me ‘Daddy, who is Adolf Hitler?’ And I responded, ‘He killed millions of people, and that’s why we need to have a statue of him, instead of the victims, so that we never forget him.
And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”
@doctor-phibes said in A stealth operation:
And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”
All depends on whom you kill, in context to who's left around afterward.
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Next they'll want to remove all the statues of the people who who spoke out in defense of felons locked in jail.
Felon lovers do not represent who we are in Virginia
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@aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
Another thing:“Confederate images do not represent who we are in Virginia. That’s why we voted unanimously to remove this statue,”
Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.
They can blackwash history all they want, but the surest way to perpetuate mistakes is to never examine them publicly. (Except for maybe Horace, who has no use for such things.)
@aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.
+1
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Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.
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Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.
@mik said in A stealth operation:
Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.
Rolling Stone, Sabrina Erdely is a liar, and you publish stories that lead to bricks thrown into innocent people's windows because you love the sound of the word "misogyny." Shut the fuck up.
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@copper said in A stealth operation:
Everywhere
Blow up Trump's on all the lawns for Christmas
I really want to think you’re making this up.
