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  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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    Aqua Letifer
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    @aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
    Another thing:

    “Confederate images do not represent who we are in Virginia. That’s why we voted unanimously to remove this statue,”

    Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.

    They can blackwash history all they want, but the surest way to perpetuate mistakes is to never examine them publicly. (Except for maybe Horace, who has no use for such things.)

    Please love yourself.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Dude I was fucking with you.

      I wish we could make a distinction between those who are honored despite their misdeeds and those who are honored because of them.

      But we can't, apparently.

      So yeah, King Jon-NYC would remove the confederate statues from government buildings and lands (save battlefields, museums, etc) but keep all the founders.

      But I misinterpreted your post on purpose just to tweak you. 😉

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      Aqua Letifer
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      @jon-nyc said in A stealth operation:

      So yeah, King Jon-NYC would remove the confederate statues from government buildings and lands (save battlefields, museums, etc) but keep all the founders.

      I wouldn't do that.

      Most gun-control liberals hold amazingly stupid beliefs regarding such. Stephen King, on the other hand, makes a very sensible case for gun control from his perspective, because he's also a gun owner and an NRA member. He's educated himself.

      I'd make history as public and as visible as possible. We need more education, not less. Keep as many uncomfortable statues and monuments around and in public view. Confront the past and learn from it. If that's too triggering, go back to your safe space on the couch a don't come out until you've read a goddamn book.

      Please love yourself.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #8

        Oh come on, like those are the two choices.

        I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          citing-preservation-of-history-town-refuses-to-remove-hitler-statue

          “We also need to make sure that our children are educated,” said Red Knack. “The other day, I was walking with my toddler son in the square, and he asked me ‘Daddy, who is Adolf Hitler?’ And I responded, ‘He killed millions of people, and that’s why we need to have a statue of him, instead of the victims, so that we never forget him.

          And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”

          I was only joking

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Old heros to some, mass murderers to others:

            https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0735-bust-of-stalin-ruled-illegal-and-likely-to-be-torn-down/

            As Jon stated probably best left in cemeteries and museums.

            Elbows up!

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Oh come on, like those are the two choices.

              I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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              Aqua Letifer
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              @jon-nyc said in A stealth operation:

              Oh come on, like those are the two choices.

              I'm for keeping them around, just not with the implied veneration. Hence at the battlefield or cemetery, not the courthouse or statehouse.

              No, not the only two choices, that's just how I'd go and why. Lee is not Stalin or anywhere close.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                citing-preservation-of-history-town-refuses-to-remove-hitler-statue

                “We also need to make sure that our children are educated,” said Red Knack. “The other day, I was walking with my toddler son in the square, and he asked me ‘Daddy, who is Adolf Hitler?’ And I responded, ‘He killed millions of people, and that’s why we need to have a statue of him, instead of the victims, so that we never forget him.

                And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
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                @doctor-phibes said in A stealth operation:

                And then my son asked me, ‘If I kill millions of people, will I get a big statue of me in the square?’”

                All depends on whom you kill, in context to who's left around afterward.

                Please love yourself.

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Next they'll want to remove all the statues of the people who who spoke out in defense of felons locked in jail.

                  Felon lovers do not represent who we are in Virginia

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    Next they'll want to remove all the statues of the people who who spoke out in defense of felons locked in jail.

                    Felon lovers do not represent who we are in Virginia

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @copper

                    Do they have Trump statues there already?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
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                      Everywhere

                      Blow up Trump's on all the lawns for Christmas

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:
                        Another thing:

                        “Confederate images do not represent who we are in Virginia. That’s why we voted unanimously to remove this statue,”

                        Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.

                        They can blackwash history all they want, but the surest way to perpetuate mistakes is to never examine them publicly. (Except for maybe Horace, who has no use for such things.)

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                        @aqua-letifer said in A stealth operation:

                        Yes it does. It does precisely that. The statue literally represents who Virginia was from 1861 to 1865. That's the entire point of the goddamn statue.

                        +1

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                          I just want to know who the white people are that have been exonerated.

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                            Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.

                            https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/monument-glorifying-civil-war-traitor-removed-from-u-s-capitol-1106610/?fbclid=IwAR18VO0hpMIUarel-cqHIXsEn_WNz6tP_2Xy_DJryjM6KWG2KjZgf_5tiMI

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.

                              https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/monument-glorifying-civil-war-traitor-removed-from-u-s-capitol-1106610/?fbclid=IwAR18VO0hpMIUarel-cqHIXsEn_WNz6tP_2Xy_DJryjM6KWG2KjZgf_5tiMI

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @mik said in A stealth operation:

                              Take a gander at how Rolling Stone presents it.

                              https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/monument-glorifying-civil-war-traitor-removed-from-u-s-capitol-1106610/?fbclid=IwAR18VO0hpMIUarel-cqHIXsEn_WNz6tP_2Xy_DJryjM6KWG2KjZgf_5tiMI

                              Rolling Stone, Sabrina Erdely is a liar, and you publish stories that lead to bricks thrown into innocent people's windows because you love the sound of the word "misogyny." Shut the fuck up.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                Everywhere

                                Blow up Trump's on all the lawns for Christmas

                                jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
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                                @copper said in A stealth operation:

                                Everywhere

                                Blow up Trump's on all the lawns for Christmas

                                I really want to think you’re making this up.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @copper said in A stealth operation:

                                  Everywhere

                                  Blow up Trump's on all the lawns for Christmas

                                  I really want to think you’re making this up.

                                  CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
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                                  @jon-nyc sometimes I make things up

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