The Hate
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@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
Ok, well my 17 year old dog died Wednesday. Had to finally put him down as he wasn't eating or walking anymore. It was a hard day. I was lucky to find a vet who makes house calls though, and she was awesome. Me and the pups gathered around DJ in my backyard in the sun and it went very peacefully.
Hugs to you.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 19:14 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The Hate:
k, well my 17 year old dog died Wednesday. Had to finally put him down as he wasn't eating or walking anymore. It was a hard day.
I just now caught up with this, NS. My heart to yours. I have been where you are, and it's agonizing.
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Why They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.
Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 19:34 last edited by Horace 12 Dec 2020, 19:34Why They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.
Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.
Historical precedence says more about the person drawing the inference and what they believe as an individual than it does about what will actually happen. I have not been more dissapointed with any set of ideas more than I've been disappointed by vague historical references, citing some name or date like you're some kind of genius findind an exact analogue in history. Which obviously you didn't, and couldn't. I will never forget Timothy Snyder's faceplant upon the Trump election in 2016, wherein he used all of his power as perhaps the world's leading historian. His predictions were garbage, and he was proven to be a histrionic prancing princess.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 20:29 last edited by
I am sorry to hear that my posts disappoint. I actually thought the comparison to Juan Peron was at least partially justified. After all, Peron was not quite the ogre apparent leftists such as myself use in the same sentence as Trump. I could have just as easily invoked Charles DeGaulle (although he actually did serve in uniform with some distinction) or perhaps, closer to home and more accurately, Huey Long or maybe even George Wallace.
As for the 19 Brumaire reference, US institutions continue to be robust as the events of the past month demonstrate. That's a good thing and as I have stated I hope my prediction of an American Caesar is unfounded. Still, the continuing divisiveness of American society will come at a price and that price will be those very institutions that have held strong the past four tumultuous years.
let me know if you would prefer that I post links to dubious editorials and conspiracy theory websites and videos as the reactionaries do here. Not sure that I will oblige.
In the meantime, take care.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 20:31 last edited by
I find historical knowledge to be trivial, unless one can synthesise to an exent greater than a name drop. Sorry.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hate:
NS, I was really sorry to hear about your dog. I wanted to say something on FB, but I can never find the words. He clearly meant the world to you.
Thanks man. I know the feeling. And he did. Appreciate it.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 20:33 last edited by@nobodyssock said in The Hate:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hate:
NS, I was really sorry to hear about your dog. I wanted to say something on FB, but I can never find the words. He clearly meant the world to you.
Thanks man. I know the feeling. And he did. Appreciate it.
17 years! That’s a long companion relationship. I found getting a puppy is the best therapy.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 20:35 last edited by
You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 20:48 last edited by
You know something? You're probably right.
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You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:03 last edited byYou are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.
Funny thing about history is that it changes with the times. People and events become more or less important and interpretations change wildly. As presentism is so wildly in vogue these days, many events and people are now selectively canceled so I don’t think we can study many things in history these days.
Also as a fun ironic note, the guy who wrote that “those that don’t know history are doomed to repeat it” was a eugenist. Can you get rid of the person and not the idea?
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You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:34 last edited byYou are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.
I believe that point was originally made by Aristotle.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:41 last edited by
Sure, the point is vulnerable to that.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 21:43 last edited by
I sort of like the Bible, to be honest. Not sure you can find a better collection of ideas. I've come to that over my 48 years. I haven't even read it yet, but I think I've gotten the highlights.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:23 last edited by
Another joke dies in a ditch at the side of the road, seemingly unnoticed.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:24 last edited by
I didn't know the Aristotle joke, and therefore I am unworthy.
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wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:28 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Dec 2020, 23:29
I made up the freaking Aristotle joke, of course you didn't know it!
Where's my razor blade?
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Why They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.
Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.
wrote on 12 Dec 2020, 23:58 last edited byWhy They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.
Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.
Trump is not Peron.
The United States is not Argentina.
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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wrote on 13 Dec 2020, 00:00 last edited by Renauda
But surely there's a comparison to be made with a Flinstones' character or episode of Seinfeld?
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wrote on 13 Dec 2020, 00:01 last edited by
Nope.
Not even Seinfield.
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wrote on 13 Dec 2020, 00:05 last edited by
Who dat? The new Bond villain?
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wrote on 13 Dec 2020, 00:07 last edited by
That is Signore Berlusconi, accompanied by about 5 pounds of make-up.