The Hate

[Horace]

@Renauda said in The Hate:

@Jolly said in The Hate:

Why They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.

That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.

Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.

Historical precedence says more about the person drawing the inference and what they believe as an individual than it does about what will actually happen. I have not been more dissapointed with any set of ideas more than I've been disappointed by vague historical references, citing some name or date like you're some kind of genius findind an exact analogue in history. Which obviously you didn't, and couldn't. I will never forget Timothy Snyder's faceplant upon the Trump election in 2016, wherein he used all of his power as perhaps the world's leading historian. His predictions were garbage, and he was proven to be a histrionic prancing princess.

[Renauda]

I am sorry to hear that my posts disappoint. I actually thought the comparison to Juan Peron was at least partially justified. After all, Peron was not quite the ogre apparent leftists such as myself use in the same sentence as Trump. I could have just as easily invoked Charles DeGaulle (although he actually did serve in uniform with some distinction) or perhaps, closer to home and more accurately, Huey Long or maybe even George Wallace.

As for the 19 Brumaire reference, US institutions continue to be robust as the events of the past month demonstrate. That's a good thing and as I have stated I hope my prediction of an American Caesar is unfounded. Still, the continuing divisiveness of American society will come at a price and that price will be those very institutions that have held strong the past four tumultuous years.

let me know if you would prefer that I post links to dubious editorials and conspiracy theory websites and videos as the reactionaries do here. Not sure that I will oblige.

In the meantime, take care.

[Horace]

I find historical knowledge to be trivial, unless one can synthesise to an exent greater than a name drop. Sorry.

[Loki]

@nobodyssock said in The Hate:

@Doctor-Phibes said in The Hate:

NS, I was really sorry to hear about your dog. I wanted to say something on FB, but I can never find the words. He clearly meant the world to you.

Thanks man. I know the feeling. And he did. Appreciate it.

17 years! That’s a long companion relationship. I found getting a puppy is the best therapy.

[Horace]

You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.

[Renauda]

You know something? You're probably right.

[Loki]

@Horace said in The Hate:

You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.

Funny thing about history is that it changes with the times. People and events become more or less important and interpretations change wildly. As presentism is so wildly in vogue these days, many events and people are now selectively canceled so I don’t think we can study many things in history these days.

Also as a fun ironic note, the guy who wrote that “those that don’t know history are doomed to repeat it” was a eugenist. Can you get rid of the person and not the idea?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in The Hate:

You are not the only person I associate with a guy who establishes intelligence with historical references. It's a pattern. One I noticed decades ago. I'm sure a lot of smart people know a lot about history, and are fascinated by history. I think they sometimes tend to over extrapolate, because historical references sound smart, and they like sounding smart.

I believe that point was originally made by Aristotle.

[Horace]

Sure, the point is vulnerable to that.

[Horace]

I sort of like the Bible, to be honest. Not sure you can find a better collection of ideas. I've come to that over my 48 years. I haven't even read it yet, but I think I've gotten the highlights.

[Doctor Phibes]

Another joke dies in a ditch at the side of the road, seemingly unnoticed.

[Horace]

I didn't know the Aristotle joke, and therefore I am unworthy.

[Doctor Phibes]

I made up the freaking Aristotle joke, of course you didn't know it!

Where's my razor blade?

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in The Hate:

@Jolly said in The Hate:

Why They Hate Trump
Simply put, they hate Trump because he represents ordinary Americans — those who are not part of the political and corporate elite, who lack the advantages and connections of the Deep State, who are not media, academics, or celebs. President Trump puts ordinary Americans first, and it drives the elite nuts.

That alone is a great introduction to How to build an Authoritarian State and Cult of Personality.

Donald Trump; the Juan Peron of the 21st century.

Trump is not Peron.

The United States is not Argentina.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Renauda]

But surely there's a comparison to be made with a Flinstones' character or episode of Seinfeld?

[Jolly]

Nope.

Not even Seinfield.

[Doctor Phibes]

[Catseye3]

Who dat? The new Bond villain?

[Doctor Phibes]

That is Signore Berlusconi, accompanied by about 5 pounds of make-up.

[Renauda]

Putin considered Berlusconi a light weight.

BTW, a joke gowing around Moscow last month went like this: "The next American president will the candidate whom President Putin congratulates."

.....still awaiting the congratulations from the Kremlin.