Packin'
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@Mik I agree with you that for me, having a gun would be more hurt than help.
But FOR ME, I just don’t think that having that “fear” in me is something I will ever feel such that I think I need to have a gun.
It really does amaze me though that people feel so concerned that a random person is going to come in to their church or temple and do harm , that they need to have a gun when they go inside. That just boggle my mind.
wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 15:00 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
@Mik I agree with you that for me, having a gun would be more hurt than help.
But FOR ME, I just don’t think that having that “fear” in me is something I will ever feel such that I think I need to have a gun.
It really does amaze me though that people feel so concerned that a random person is going to come in to their church or temple and do harm , that they need to have a gun when they go inside. That just boggle my mind.
Then you may be hurt, raped or killed, depending on the circumstances. Guns are not a panacea. They will not magically protect you, especially not without training and situational awareness.
Tell me...What would you do, if you knew you had a person who had visited your church/temple/mosque and that person was a combat veteran who was having mental issues? A guy who you knew had weapons at his house?
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wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 15:12 last edited by
As I said before, maybe “fear” is too strong a word. A better word might be “concerned”. And there are different levels of concern.
If The person is not concerned something is going to happen, they are not going to prepare for it.
I’m NOT concerned that a meteor is going to fall on my head, so I will not do any preparation for it.
I AM concerned when I get in the car, but if I get in an accident, I could be injured. So, I will prepare for it by wearing a safety belt, etc.
I have a very very MINOR concerns when I go out in my every day life and walk down the street. For my concern, my Preparation will be that I will not wear expensive jewelry. I will not carry a big amount of cash in my hand where people will see it.
My concern is quite small that a random person will jump out at me. My preparation is knowing my area, using common sense, and if necessary, avoiding the area.
FOR ME, If my concerns are so great that I feel I need to have a gun just to go out for a walk or go to church, then I am probably living in the wrong place . Again, that is just FOR ME.
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wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 19:58 last edited by
There some people, some very good people, that don't have a lot of choice in where they must live. There are dangers in life you sometimes can't avoid.
Cooper's color codes:
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wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 20:00 last edited by
Also remember another of Colonel Cooper's sayings, If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 11:01 last edited by
Jolly, if she wouldn't mind you sharing, what were the situations when your wife pulled out her gun?
I don't carry, but I have considered it over the years, even while I was in grad school (a very creepy guy was following me nearly every day.)
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 13:20 last edited by
I've talked about them before and I find it astonishing you don't hang on my every word.
The first time, my wife caught somebody trying to burgularize my dad's house. She called the cops and had the gentleman cool his heels a bit until the deputies got there. TG could make the argument my wife could have avoided drawing her .38...I think this situation can be argued both ways.
The other can't. My wife was sitting in her car on the shoulder of the road, waiting on AAA to change out a flat tire. A pickup truck was slowing down on the highway and a guy jumped out of the bed, while the truck was still going 30mph or so. He went rolling down the ditch, finally coming to a stop. Scratched and bleeding, he makes a beeline for my wife's car at a dead run. He jumps up on the hood and starts to beat bloody fist prints on the windshield, screaming "Momma! Momma!" . Crazy as a waltzing road lizard.
By the time he hit that windshield a second time, he was looking at the business end of a .38. The wife told him she wasn't his momma and if he didn't get off of her car, she'd kill him on the spot. Apparently, she made a persuasive argument, because he decided to jump off the car and run down a side road. She called the cops and the deputy was there within a minute. The guy was an escaped mental patient from the state mental hospital and was known to be violent.
Within five minutes there were a half dozen deputies and a dog team searching for him. She later found out it took them hours to run him down in the woods.
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 13:47 last edited by
A word about women and carry pistols...
What fits a man, doesn't always fit a woman. Some people are also more sensitive to recoil. A .44 loudenboomer does you no good if it scares you and you can't hit the side of a barn with it.
Without fifty rounds of practice a month, most people don't handle anything other than 9mm or 38spl very well (several people carry .357 magnums with .38spl +P rounds), so I think those are the upper limit of defensive rounds.
Right now is a very bad time to buy a gun, as selection is scarce and ammo is darn near unobtainable.
Some I think fit a woman well are the Ruger LCR revolvers, the Smith&Wesson revolvers, the S&W .380 EZ, S&W Shield, Springfield Armory Hellcat, Glock 42, Glock G26, Sig P365. For very deep cover, you might consider a S&W Bodyguard .380 or a Ruger LCP II. The Ruger comes in .22LR, for those who don't like recoil in a mouse gun.
Be aware that any small, light handgun in a centerfire caliber can be a little snappy. Shoot what you can handle. My wife has no problem with large caliber rifles or shotguns, but her arthritic hands are too weak for a heavy recoiling handgun.
If you decide to carry, a concealed carry class and weapons training us mandatory. With situational awareness and avoiding bad situations, chances are pretty good you'll never gave to even draw a weapon.
But as the old saying goes, It's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need one and not have it.
Your life, your decision. Choose wisely.
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 14:19 last edited by
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
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I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 14:31 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
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@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 14:56 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 15:07 last edited by
I really don't mind if strangers around me fear me a little. Fear is quite cautionary.
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@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 15:25 last edited by Jolly@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
And the originator of some of the best swords and knives on the planet.
Did you know a good Japanese tanto will go right through a bulletproof vest?
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I've talked about them before and I find it astonishing you don't hang on my every word.
The first time, my wife caught somebody trying to burgularize my dad's house. She called the cops and had the gentleman cool his heels a bit until the deputies got there. TG could make the argument my wife could have avoided drawing her .38...I think this situation can be argued both ways.
The other can't. My wife was sitting in her car on the shoulder of the road, waiting on AAA to change out a flat tire. A pickup truck was slowing down on the highway and a guy jumped out of the bed, while the truck was still going 30mph or so. He went rolling down the ditch, finally coming to a stop. Scratched and bleeding, he makes a beeline for my wife's car at a dead run. He jumps up on the hood and starts to beat bloody fist prints on the windshield, screaming "Momma! Momma!" . Crazy as a waltzing road lizard.
By the time he hit that windshield a second time, he was looking at the business end of a .38. The wife told him she wasn't his momma and if he didn't get off of her car, she'd kill him on the spot. Apparently, she made a persuasive argument, because he decided to jump off the car and run down a side road. She called the cops and the deputy was there within a minute. The guy was an escaped mental patient from the state mental hospital and was known to be violent.
Within five minutes there were a half dozen deputies and a dog team searching for him. She later found out it took them hours to run him down in the woods.
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wrote on 27 Nov 2020, 15:57 last edited by Jolly
My wife is the epitome of Southern country manners and grace. She is one of the most thoughtful and nice women you will ever meet.
And she would jerk a knot in your tail in a New York second, if needs be.
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wrote on 28 Nov 2020, 00:20 last edited by
I've never carried a gun. I carry a box cutter. If I have to resort to pulling the box cutter out it means I can't whip your ass so I'll just lay your guts on the floor. But I support the right to own and carry guns 100%, and I've never felt any fear from someone who was carrying a gun. In fact, I feel safer when I know some of the people around me are armed.
Someone mentioned that Japan was a polite society even though very few guns were around. I'm happy for them. But this isn't Japan, and we aren't Japanese. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Besides, that's not even the point. The point is, back when our ancestors agreed to give power to a federal government, they made sure the government knew it was the people telling that government what it could and could not do, not the other way around. We do not have to get permission from government to own and carry guns. We even made the government put it in writing that we did not give it the right to tell us we couldn't. But somewhere along the way people (those on the Left) started screwing with the Constitution and now you have people out there who think government has all the power and our rights come from government. So they think government gets to tell us we can't own guns. And you have a lot of people who don't like guns advocating for this flip from the people being in charge to the government being in charge.
For this reason, and because people have seen fit to elect a senile old fool who kisses the Left's ass and has already said he's coming for our guns, I will be buying several guns soon.