Packin'
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TG, I doubt you have the mindset where you would be prepared to use a gun should it be necessary. For that reason you should not carry one. In your hands it would be more of a danger to you than anyone else.
But comparing carrying a weapon to getting hit by a meteor is to deny what you read in the papers every single day.
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@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
@Jolly Again, I am not anti-gun. I have fired a gun at targets, etc But I have never felt concerned enough to have to carry one.
A meteor could fall out of the sky and hit me on the head. But I am not concerned enough to wear some sort super strong head covering that would protect me.
FOR ME AND ONLY ME (and I know everyone has different comfort levels), I am not enough concerned walking out the door, or going to temple/church or other things, that I would be in a situation where I would need a gun (or a gun would help the situation).
Remember JustMe?
I've wondered if her family tragedy would have been different, if a firearm were in the equation?
@Jolly for sure that was an absolute tragedy. I don’t know if her DIL had a gun or not. Even so, it was a very very very isolated incident. I am not trying to minimize it but I would guess that probably an equal number of people are accidentally killed by a gun in the home as are killed by a random person robbing a house.
@mik I do not deny that bad things happen. My comfort level is high enough that I believe odds are in my favor.
And it is not that I have been “shelter” all my life. For example, I lived in downtown Chicago for two year (if you are familiar with Chicago, by the street intersection of Clark, Broadway, and Diversy ). I never felt unsafe. Of course , I would take precautions. I would not walk around by myself in a short skirt at 2am (or if I did, I made sure there was a big group of people. 555). I did some research before on where I wanted to move. One thing I remember is that in Chicago, something like 75 or 80% of the crimes happen in like 10% of the neighborhoods. I made sure that I was in the other 90% neighborhoods.
Anyway, good discussion.
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The world is full of isolated incidents. Defensive gun use in America is very hard to quantify.
Estimates range from maybe 100,000 to 2,000,000 incidents per year.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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The world is full of isolated incidents. Defensive gun use in America is very hard to quantify.
Estimates range from maybe 100,000 to 2,000,000 incidents per year.
@Jolly good point. There are so many variables, it is hard to say one thing or the other.
In some of the number above, having a gun helped in some situations, in others, it probably hurt.
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The world is full of isolated incidents. Defensive gun use in America is very hard to quantify.
Estimates range from maybe 100,000 to 2,000,000 incidents per year.
The world is full of isolated incidents. Defensive gun use in America is very hard to quantify.
Estimates range from maybe 100,000 to 2,000,000 incidents per year.
Is that more or less than meteors?
TG, you can try to negate what he said with 'some helped, some didn't', but the fact is that regardless what you see on TV, when a perp sees a gun drawn or hears a shotgun being racked, he doesn't go all badass on the holder. His mindset changes entirely to 'Oh, shit... how do I get out of this alive?'. It helps. if some perps don't make it out, well, that's too bad for them. Don't live like an animal and you won't likely die like one.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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The world is full of isolated incidents. Defensive gun use in America is very hard to quantify.
Estimates range from maybe 100,000 to 2,000,000 incidents per year.
Is that more or less than meteors?
TG, you can try to negate what he said with 'some helped, some didn't', but the fact is that regardless what you see on TV, when a perp sees a gun drawn or hears a shotgun being racked, he doesn't go all badass on the holder. His mindset changes entirely to 'Oh, shit... how do I get out of this alive?'. It helps. if some perps don't make it out, well, that's too bad for them. Don't live like an animal and you won't likely die like one.
@Mik I agree with you that for me, having a gun would be more hurt than help.
But FOR ME, I just don’t think that having that “fear” in me is something I will ever feel such that I think I need to have a gun.
It really does amaze me though that people feel so concerned that a random person is going to come in to their church or temple and do harm , that they need to have a gun when they go inside. That just boggle my mind.
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@Mik I agree with you that for me, having a gun would be more hurt than help.
But FOR ME, I just don’t think that having that “fear” in me is something I will ever feel such that I think I need to have a gun.
It really does amaze me though that people feel so concerned that a random person is going to come in to their church or temple and do harm , that they need to have a gun when they go inside. That just boggle my mind.
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
@Mik I agree with you that for me, having a gun would be more hurt than help.
But FOR ME, I just don’t think that having that “fear” in me is something I will ever feel such that I think I need to have a gun.
It really does amaze me though that people feel so concerned that a random person is going to come in to their church or temple and do harm , that they need to have a gun when they go inside. That just boggle my mind.
Then you may be hurt, raped or killed, depending on the circumstances. Guns are not a panacea. They will not magically protect you, especially not without training and situational awareness.
Tell me...What would you do, if you knew you had a person who had visited your church/temple/mosque and that person was a combat veteran who was having mental issues? A guy who you knew had weapons at his house?
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As I said before, maybe “fear” is too strong a word. A better word might be “concerned”. And there are different levels of concern.
If The person is not concerned something is going to happen, they are not going to prepare for it.
I’m NOT concerned that a meteor is going to fall on my head, so I will not do any preparation for it.
I AM concerned when I get in the car, but if I get in an accident, I could be injured. So, I will prepare for it by wearing a safety belt, etc.
I have a very very MINOR concerns when I go out in my every day life and walk down the street. For my concern, my Preparation will be that I will not wear expensive jewelry. I will not carry a big amount of cash in my hand where people will see it.
My concern is quite small that a random person will jump out at me. My preparation is knowing my area, using common sense, and if necessary, avoiding the area.
FOR ME, If my concerns are so great that I feel I need to have a gun just to go out for a walk or go to church, then I am probably living in the wrong place . Again, that is just FOR ME.
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I've talked about them before and I find it astonishing you don't hang on my every word.
The first time, my wife caught somebody trying to burgularize my dad's house. She called the cops and had the gentleman cool his heels a bit until the deputies got there. TG could make the argument my wife could have avoided drawing her .38...I think this situation can be argued both ways.
The other can't. My wife was sitting in her car on the shoulder of the road, waiting on AAA to change out a flat tire. A pickup truck was slowing down on the highway and a guy jumped out of the bed, while the truck was still going 30mph or so. He went rolling down the ditch, finally coming to a stop. Scratched and bleeding, he makes a beeline for my wife's car at a dead run. He jumps up on the hood and starts to beat bloody fist prints on the windshield, screaming "Momma! Momma!" . Crazy as a waltzing road lizard.
By the time he hit that windshield a second time, he was looking at the business end of a .38. The wife told him she wasn't his momma and if he didn't get off of her car, she'd kill him on the spot. Apparently, she made a persuasive argument, because he decided to jump off the car and run down a side road. She called the cops and the deputy was there within a minute. The guy was an escaped mental patient from the state mental hospital and was known to be violent.
Within five minutes there were a half dozen deputies and a dog team searching for him. She later found out it took them hours to run him down in the woods.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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A word about women and carry pistols...
What fits a man, doesn't always fit a woman. Some people are also more sensitive to recoil. A .44 loudenboomer does you no good if it scares you and you can't hit the side of a barn with it.
Without fifty rounds of practice a month, most people don't handle anything other than 9mm or 38spl very well (several people carry .357 magnums with .38spl +P rounds), so I think those are the upper limit of defensive rounds.
Right now is a very bad time to buy a gun, as selection is scarce and ammo is darn near unobtainable.
Some I think fit a woman well are the Ruger LCR revolvers, the Smith&Wesson revolvers, the S&W .380 EZ, S&W Shield, Springfield Armory Hellcat, Glock 42, Glock G26, Sig P365. For very deep cover, you might consider a S&W Bodyguard .380 or a Ruger LCP II. The Ruger comes in .22LR, for those who don't like recoil in a mouse gun.
Be aware that any small, light handgun in a centerfire caliber can be a little snappy. Shoot what you can handle. My wife has no problem with large caliber rifles or shotguns, but her arthritic hands are too weak for a heavy recoiling handgun.
If you decide to carry, a concealed carry class and weapons training us mandatory. With situational awareness and avoiding bad situations, chances are pretty good you'll never gave to even draw a weapon.
But as the old saying goes, It's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need one and not have it.
Your life, your decision. Choose wisely.
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I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
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I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
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@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
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@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
@taiwan_girl said in Packin':
I remember reading an article or a paper about the “war” with USSR when President Reagan was US President
One quote of his talking about the “arm race” (and I am sure I don’t have it exactly right ) had always remembered me. It was something like
“We don’t arm ourselves because we fear each other. We fear each other BECAUSE we arm ourselves”
I quote Heinlein quite a bit...An armed society is a polite society.
Chew on that one a bit...
Tell that to the Japanese.
Probably the politest society I have visited (and one of the least amount of guns anywhere)
And the originator of some of the best swords and knives on the planet.
Did you know a good Japanese tanto will go right through a bulletproof vest?
