Trump roadmap to stay in the WH
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 13:23 last edited by
The issue with what Trump is doing is long term. How do we expect this to play out?
How are people going to behave at the next election?
When we have somebody on the left refusing to guarantee a peaceful transition those who are currently empowering Trump's childish whining may feel differently about the situation.
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The issue with what Trump is doing is long term. How do we expect this to play out?
How are people going to behave at the next election?
When we have somebody on the left refusing to guarantee a peaceful transition those who are currently empowering Trump's childish whining may feel differently about the situation.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 13:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
The issue with what Trump is doing is long term. How do we expect this to play out?
How are people going to behave at the next election?
When we have somebody on the left refusing to guarantee a peaceful transition those who are currently empowering Trump's childish whining may feel differently about the situation.
Certification of votes generally happen next Monday and Tuesday. If the status quo hasn’t moved in earnest starting Wednesday get back to me.
The argument of time needed for transition is a very hollow argument. As you noted often Trump fired everyone and the economy did more than just fine and everyone was happy.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
The issue with what Trump is doing is long term. How do we expect this to play out?
How are people going to behave at the next election?
When we have somebody on the left refusing to guarantee a peaceful transition those who are currently empowering Trump's childish whining may feel differently about the situation.
Certification of votes generally happen next Monday and Tuesday. If the status quo hasn’t moved in earnest starting Wednesday get back to me.
The argument of time needed for transition is a very hollow argument. As you noted often Trump fired everyone and the economy did more than just fine and everyone was happy.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 13:38 last edited byLoki, do you believe that Trump will acknowledge that Biden won the election over the next four years?
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Loki, do you believe that Trump will acknowledge that Biden won the election over the next four years?
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 13:47 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
Loki, do you believe that Trump will acknowledge that Biden won the election over the next four years?
He never ever will in my opinion. Now ask me about McConnell and other GOP leadership.
What I don’t see is how Trump squirms away from being so isolated like Hitler’s last days in the bunker. I expect it doesn’t look like that but I can’t see his next three moves.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
Loki, do you believe that Trump will acknowledge that Biden won the election over the next four years?
He never ever will in my opinion. Now ask me about McConnell and other GOP leadership.
What I don’t see is how Trump squirms away from being so isolated like Hitler’s last days in the bunker. I expect it doesn’t look like that but I can’t see his next three moves.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 13:50 last edited by@Loki said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
I can’t see his next three moves.
I can't, either. What's left?
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 14:01 last edited by
He appears to me to have enough people who believe pretty much everything he says to be able to continue to destabilize the institutions of government and self-promote in one form or another.
I've always felt that he was the political equivalent of one of those dreadful televangelists who for some reason seem to do so well over here.
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He appears to me to have enough people who believe pretty much everything he says to be able to continue to destabilize the institutions of government and self-promote in one form or another.
I've always felt that he was the political equivalent of one of those dreadful televangelists who for some reason seem to do so well over here.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 17:41 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
destabilize the institutions of government
I think that might be one of the main reasons he was elected.
To shake things up
To drain the swamp
He is doing what he was hired to do
It isn't pretty
Good
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I'm amazed how many people downplay what Trump is doing, as though it's all perfectly normal and acceptable.
When a few of us said a few months ago that we could envisage that Trump wouldn't accept the election result and try to cling to power, I seem to remember being laughed at.
This country is nuts.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
I'm amazed how many people downplay what Trump is doing, as though it's all perfectly normal and acceptable.
When a few of us said a few months ago that we could envisage that Trump wouldn't accept the election result and try to cling to power, I seem to remember being laughed at.
This country is nuts.
I don't imagine it will amount to anything. Yes, this is a downside to Trump, and it was predictable. But it's not a big deal IMO.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:13 last edited by
Meanwhile, those on the left never take any personal responsibility for the riots and violence every time some racism narrative can be constructed and viralized from an isolated incident somewhere in the country. And then, of course, they expect riots and violence if Trump is defeated. Now look at it. Were there any?
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@Horace - It’s a safe bet that, with your comfortable blue-tribe job and blue-tribe neighborhood, your life will remain Q-anon feee. Racism is still likely to come for you, unfortunately.
But to be fair, Williamson’s comments were a response to the news conference given by Trump’s team.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
@Horace - It’s a safe bet that, with your comfortable blue-tribe job and blue-tribe neighborhood, your life will remain Q-anon feee. Racism is still likely to come for you, unfortunately.
Not the sort of racism the left cares about, which is what I was talking about.
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Meanwhile, those on the left never take any personal responsibility for the riots and violence every time some racism narrative can be constructed and viralized from an isolated incident somewhere in the country. And then, of course, they expect riots and violence if Trump is defeated. Now look at it. Were there any?
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:35 last edited by@Horace said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
Meanwhile, those on the left never take any personal responsibility for the riots and violence
Why should I take any personal responsibility for riots and violence?
I might as well take responsibility for wiping out the Native Americans.
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wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:37 last edited by
I suppose it comes down to whether personal responsibility, in terms of social ideas, is something you think about. I trust that every non sociopath takes personal responsibility for their local situation.
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I suppose it comes down to whether personal responsibility, in terms of social ideas, is something you think about. I trust that every non sociopath takes personal responsibility for their local situation.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:46 last edited by@Horace said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
I suppose it comes down to whether personal responsibility, in terms of social ideas, is something you think about. I trust that every non sociopath takes personal responsibility for their local situation.
By and large I think the people who are responsible for the rioting are the people doing the rioting. Politicians who fail to condemn them or egg them on should take responsibility, but just because I think that greater gun control and a universal health care system would be a good idea, doesn't mean I have anything whatsoever in common with people who set fire to shops, attack people they disagree with, and steal widescreen TV's.
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@Horace said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
I suppose it comes down to whether personal responsibility, in terms of social ideas, is something you think about. I trust that every non sociopath takes personal responsibility for their local situation.
By and large I think the people who are responsible for the rioting are the people doing the rioting. Politicians who fail to condemn them or egg them on should take responsibility, but just because I think that greater gun control and a universal health care system would be a good idea, doesn't mean I have anything whatsoever in common with people who set fire to shops, attack people they disagree with, and steal widescreen TV's.
wrote on 20 Nov 2020, 22:48 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
@Horace said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
I suppose it comes down to whether personal responsibility, in terms of social ideas, is something you think about. I trust that every non sociopath takes personal responsibility for their local situation.
By and large I think the people who are responsible for the rioting are the people doing the rioting. Politicians who fail to condemn them or egg them on should take responsibility, but just because I think that greater gun control and a universal health care system would be a good idea, doesn't mean I have anything whatsoever in common with people who set fire to shops, attack people they disagree with, and steal widescreen TV's.
But then you choose to voice outrage one way or another. It's just an indicator, I'm not saying you said one thing or another. But we choose what we say.
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You’re “nothing to see here” schtick falls flat. The damage he’s doing is too manifest to ignore.
My guess is this is the way you deal with the cognitive dissonance after twice pulling a (silent) lever for him.
wrote on 21 Nov 2020, 01:31 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
You’re “nothing to see here” schtick falls flat. The damage he’s doing is too manifest to ignore.
My guess is this is the way you deal with the cognitive dissonance after twice pulling a (silent) lever for him.
You mean, after the absolute Schiff Show inspired by turning the FISA Court and the FBI on its head and using KGB disinformation tactics on American citizens, you're worried because Trump is using his legal rights in court?
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We can laugh at this but it’s far riskier than the legal challenge route.
He doesn’t need the law on his side for much of this, just corrupt legislators and bureaucrats that will subvert democracy for him. I’m afraid those won’t be hard to find.
wrote on 21 Nov 2020, 01:54 last edited by jon-nycNo @Jolly , quite the opposite. I’m pretty confident our legal institutions can prevent any autogolpe. My concern is when it comes down to a handful of legislators or bureaucrats as they are much more corruptible. See my first post in the thread:
@jon-nyc said in Trump roadmap to stay in the WH:
We can laugh at this but it’s far riskier than the legal challenge route.
He doesn’t need the law on his side for much of this, just corrupt legislators and bureaucrats that will subvert democracy for him. I’m afraid those won’t be hard to find.