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    Axtremus
    wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:17 last edited by
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    Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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      14 Nov 2020, 23:17

      Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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      Jolly
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      @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

      Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

      Uh, no. It's not.

      It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • A Axtremus
        14 Nov 2020, 23:17

        Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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        George K
        wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:22 last edited by
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        @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

        Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

        I suppose.

        Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."

        This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          xenon
          wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:51 last edited by xenon
          #34

          It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

          But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

          Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

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          • X xenon
            15 Nov 2020, 00:51

            It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

            But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

            Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:56 last edited by
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            @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

            It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

            But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

            Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

            Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              15 Nov 2020, 00:56

              @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

              It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

              But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

              Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

              Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

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              xenon
              wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:57 last edited by xenon
              #36

              @Jolly right - I mentioned that in my first sentence.

              I don’t think you were very outraged when Trump pulled stuff like this though.

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              • J Jolly
                14 Nov 2020, 23:18

                @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                Uh, no. It's not.

                It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

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                Loki
                wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:01 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                Uh, no. It's not.

                It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

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                • L Loki
                  15 Nov 2020, 01:01

                  @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                  @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                  Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                  Uh, no. It's not.

                  It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                  The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:02 last edited by
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                  @Loki said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                  @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                  @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                  Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                  Uh, no. It's not.

                  It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                  The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

                  Joe is gonna rain money down...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • X xenon
                    15 Nov 2020, 00:51

                    It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

                    But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

                    Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:04 last edited by
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                    @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                    It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
                    But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
                    Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

                    There, right there, is the problem with Trump.

                    People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.

                    I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.

                    His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • G George K
                      15 Nov 2020, 01:04

                      @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                      It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
                      But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
                      Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

                      There, right there, is the problem with Trump.

                      People ignore the fact that he's the President of The United States, and focus on the fact that he's occasionally impolite.

                      I've said, many times, that Trump is a loathsome boor. But, he IS The President. and by virtue of that fact, he, more than anyone know what the status is of the crisis, the pandemic, that is ravaging our nation. He should be notified first, and not through a media report, particularly when his political opponent was notified at least 12 hours earlier.

                      His behavior regarding senior government officials through the media and Twitter is irrelevant. You're conflating personality with policy.

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                      xenon
                      wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:11 last edited by
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                      @George-K

                      My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).

                      But it’s also a two way street.

                      The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                      He treated them like personal servants though.

                      But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.

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                      • J Jolly
                        14 Nov 2020, 23:18

                        @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                        Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                        Uh, no. It's not.

                        It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:11 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                        @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                        Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                        Uh, no. It's not.

                        It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                        Now you're a "big government" guy?
                        Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?

                        Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.

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                        • A Axtremus
                          15 Nov 2020, 01:11

                          @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                          @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                          Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                          Uh, no. It's not.

                          It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                          Now you're a "big government" guy?
                          Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?

                          Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:12 last edited by
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                          @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                          @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                          @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                          Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                          Uh, no. It's not.

                          It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                          Now you're a "big government" guy?
                          Private companies have to notify the federal government first on whatever they do?

                          Within legal bounds, it is perfectly alright for private enterprises to choose with whom and when they share their proprietary information.

                          Did you read what I wrote?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • X xenon
                            15 Nov 2020, 01:11

                            @George-K

                            My point wasn’t that he shouldn’t have been notified first (he should have).

                            But it’s also a two way street.

                            The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                            He treated them like personal servants though.

                            But, my point was that Trump doesn’t separate the two either.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:17 last edited by George K
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                            @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                            The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                            Um....

                            Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

                            They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

                            Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

                            ETA:

                            officers in the executive branch serve the office

                            Who is the director of that branch?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              15 Nov 2020, 01:17

                              @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                              The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                              Um....

                              Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

                              They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

                              Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

                              ETA:

                              officers in the executive branch serve the office

                              Who is the director of that branch?

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                              xenon
                              wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:27 last edited by xenon
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                              @George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                              @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                              The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                              Um....

                              Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

                              They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

                              Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

                              They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.

                              There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.

                              This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.

                              The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.

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                                kluurs
                                wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:36 last edited by
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                                President Trump's use of social media is such that given the information in advance, he might very well announce the breakthrough ahead of the official release via Twitter. The executives might have considered that others they informed have demonstrated more ability for self-restraint.

                                Having the announcement made by the President, he could also take credit for the development of the virus - as did - something they might have wanted for themselves.

                                A tough call because while I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.

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                                • X xenon
                                  15 Nov 2020, 01:27

                                  @George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                  @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                  The officers in the executive branch serve the office, not Trump.

                                  Um....

                                  Who is the "Chief Executive" again?

                                  They serve, or at least should, serve the President.

                                  Because "The Deep State" doesn't exist, amirite?

                                  They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.

                                  There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.

                                  This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.

                                  The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:38 last edited by
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                                  @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                  They don’t serve Donald Trump - they serve the office of President.

                                  There is no "office of President. There is the President of the United States. And as much as you loathe him, Trump is that person. Get used to it for the next 10 weeks. He's in charge, and he should have been notified regardless of his personality.

                                  There’s nothing legally wrong with Pfizer informing Joe Sunday night and announcing first thing Monday morning though the media. There’s also no practical difference to the administration’s ability to address coronavirus with that.

                                  I never claimed illegality. I implied bias. That's obvious.

                                  This issue is about respect of the office of POTUS.

                                  Exactly. And Pfizer showed no respect for that office.

                                  The office can be disrespected by the holder of it as well.

                                  And that is irrelevant to the point of this thread. Again, you're objecting to personality, not policy.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • kluursK kluurs
                                    15 Nov 2020, 01:36

                                    President Trump's use of social media is such that given the information in advance, he might very well announce the breakthrough ahead of the official release via Twitter. The executives might have considered that others they informed have demonstrated more ability for self-restraint.

                                    Having the announcement made by the President, he could also take credit for the development of the virus - as did - something they might have wanted for themselves.

                                    A tough call because while I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:40 last edited by
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                                    @kluurs said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                    I sympathize with controlling the annoucement, It is a bit of an FU to Trump.

                                    Exactly. And the fact that Pfizer did that is outrageous.

                                    Almost as outrageous at POTUS' behaviors.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:41 last edited by
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                                      There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

                                      Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc
                                        15 Nov 2020, 01:41

                                        There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

                                        Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

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                                        wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:42 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                        There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

                                        What's that, if I may ask.

                                        What's the material health benefit of letting candidate Biden know ahead of time?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc
                                          15 Nov 2020, 01:41

                                          There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

                                          Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:43 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          There’s a material public health benefit to not having Trump announce it.

                                          Although not nearly as much as there was before the election.

                                          Equivocation.

                                          Does not really address the point.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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