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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #19

    Ah, no they didn’t.

    Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • George KG George K

      @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

      So they were correct in saying they haven't gotten any funding from the Feds for this.

      I didn't comment on funding, only on notifications.

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      @George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:

      I didn't comment on funding, only on notifications.

      You’re right. I just happened to see it mentioned in the link.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Ah, no they didn’t.

        Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.

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        Larry
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        #21

        @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

        Ah, no they didn’t.

        Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.

        I read the fucking release. I also read the fucking back tracking the fucking CEO of fucking Pfizer was forced to put out when they got fucking called out for fucking lying.

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        • LarryL Larry

          @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

          Curious what it really means. Before like hours before? Or days?

          Not sure how critical it is anyway. Biden was clearly the winner by the time they announced it and the information isn't even directly actionable. They can't apply for emergency approval until they reach the 2 month mark on their safety data which is next week I think?

          It's still not clear that Biden won anything.

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          @Larry said in We'll let POTUS know later:

          It's still not clear that Biden won anything.

          Y’all can take as much time as you need to traverse the stages of grief, but you can’t expect the world to pause while you do.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            I'm not "traversing grief" at all. If there are enough real voters to elect Biden, if there's enough voters legitimately stupid enough to let the democrats back in power, then I don't give a flying fuck any more. Take the country straight to hell.

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              #24

              So here’s the company’s statement:

              Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."

              So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.

              But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                So that means it's ok to inform Biden before POTUS?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #26

                  Seems disrespectful even for a lame duck, but not particularly consequential.

                  I'd like to know his motivations. Might be something as simple as Biden could be trusted not to announce the news before the company did.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    So here’s the company’s statement:

                    Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."

                    So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.

                    But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.

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                    @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                    So here’s the company’s statement:

                    Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."

                    So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.

                    But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.

                    No, they got the money.

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                      @jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                      The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        Larry
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                        #29

                        Same as everybody else.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          No, many companies took money upfront for development.

                          Moderna is pre-revenue, they took lots of money upfront. I know Janssen (J&J) did, though obviously they have plenty of revenue. I don't feel like looking the other ones up.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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                              Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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                              @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                              Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                              Uh, no. It's not.

                              It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

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                                @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                                I suppose.

                                Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."

                                This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  xenon
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                                  #34

                                  It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

                                  But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

                                  Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

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                                  • X xenon

                                    It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

                                    But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

                                    Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

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                                    @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                    It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

                                    But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

                                    Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

                                    Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                      It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.

                                      But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.

                                      Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.

                                      Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

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                                      xenon
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                                      #36

                                      @Jolly right - I mentioned that in my first sentence.

                                      I don’t think you were very outraged when Trump pulled stuff like this though.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                        Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                                        Uh, no. It's not.

                                        It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

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                                        @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                        @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                        Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                                        Uh, no. It's not.

                                        It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                                        The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

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                                          @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                                          Uh, no. It's not.

                                          It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                                          The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

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                                          @Loki said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          @Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          @Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:

                                          Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.

                                          Uh, no. It's not.

                                          It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.

                                          The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.

                                          Joe is gonna rain money down...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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