We'll let POTUS know later
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By the way, George, that link in the Federaliast doesn't show them taking Warp Speed funding, it describes a contract for future sale that is conditional on FDA approval.
So they were correct in saying they haven't gotten any funding from the Feds for this.
eta: same with your link.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:01 last edited by@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
By the way, George, that link in the Federaliast doesn't show them taking Warp Speed funding, it describes a contract for future sale that is conditional on FDA approval.
So they were correct in saying they haven't gotten any funding from the Feds for this.
eta: same with your link.
Oh come on, guy. They got nearly 2 billion dollars before they even had a product to sell.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:03 last edited by jon-nyc
Ah, no they didn’t.
Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.
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@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
So they were correct in saying they haven't gotten any funding from the Feds for this.
I didn't comment on funding, only on notifications.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:05 last edited by@George-K said in We'll let POTUS know later:
I didn't comment on funding, only on notifications.
You’re right. I just happened to see it mentioned in the link.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:07 last edited by Larry
@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Ah, no they didn’t.
Read the fucking release. Or even just the quote I lifted from it.
I read the fucking release. I also read the fucking back tracking the fucking CEO of fucking Pfizer was forced to put out when they got fucking called out for fucking lying.
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@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Curious what it really means. Before like hours before? Or days?
Not sure how critical it is anyway. Biden was clearly the winner by the time they announced it and the information isn't even directly actionable. They can't apply for emergency approval until they reach the 2 month mark on their safety data which is next week I think?
It's still not clear that Biden won anything.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:09 last edited by@Larry said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It's still not clear that Biden won anything.
Y’all can take as much time as you need to traverse the stages of grief, but you can’t expect the world to pause while you do.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:15 last edited by
I'm not "traversing grief" at all. If there are enough real voters to elect Biden, if there's enough voters legitimately stupid enough to let the democrats back in power, then I don't give a flying fuck any more. Take the country straight to hell.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:23 last edited by jon-nyc
So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:27 last edited by
So that means it's ok to inform Biden before POTUS?
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:29 last edited by jon-nyc
Seems disrespectful even for a lame duck, but not particularly consequential.
I'd like to know his motivations. Might be something as simple as Biden could be trusted not to announce the news before the company did.
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So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:50 last edited by@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
So here’s the company’s statement:
Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
So yeah, “participating” in that the purchase of the doses, assuming it occurs, will come from that money.
But Pfizer is correct that they received no money. They got a PO. With conditions that haven’t been met yet.
No, they got the money.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:53 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in We'll let POTUS know later:
The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 18:55 last edited by
Same as everybody else.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 19:11 last edited by
No, many companies took money upfront for development.
Moderna is pre-revenue, they took lots of money upfront. I know Janssen (J&J) did, though obviously they have plenty of revenue. I don't feel like looking the other ones up.
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:17 last edited by
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
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Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:18 last edited by@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
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Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 23:22 last edited by@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
I suppose.
Now, answer me this: What was the motivation for Pfizer putting the President of the United States not on the list of whom to notify? Azar said he "read it in the papers."
This was not an accident. This was a deliberate choice.
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wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:51 last edited by xenon
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
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It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 00:56 last edited by@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
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@xenon said in We'll let POTUS know later:
It’s not right - the office of POTUS should be notified first.
But Trump personally doesn’t deserve it.
Remember, this is the guy that fires senior government officials through the media and Twitter.
Personally doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
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@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 01:01 last edited by@Jolly said in We'll let POTUS know later:
@Axtremus said in We'll let POTUS know later:
Don’t know if or when Pfizer called the Biden campaign to inform them of its vaccine news. Even if Pfizer did, it’s their own information to share with whomever and whenever it sees fit. So, yeah, even if Pfizer did call the Biden campaign first, it is perfectly alright. Heck, it is still perfectly alright even if Pfizer also called Kanye first.
Uh, no. It's not.
It's not illegal, but it's damn sure not all right.
The first regarding warp speed was a hedge, this is kissing up. Remember big Pharma has been the big bad wolf.