Trump's DoD plans
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:03 last edited by
Why does he replace everyone now?
One of the very few logical explanations would obviously be planning for some kind of coup...
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:12 last edited by
I see your point but I think you’re giving him too much credit assuming he had a plan behind this.
I think he’s just lashing out, being the petty man we’ve always known him to be.
One way to think about it is as the opposite of issuing pardons.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:17 last edited by Klaus
But why in the DoD specifically?
I don't expect Trump to resist the transition of power by force, but can we be 100% certain that he doesn't have dark thoughts?
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:23 last edited by
I think we canrest easy. The military will never support it.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:27 last edited by
Agreed. That being said, I heard Trump is basically demanding absolute loyalty (even though most appointees will lose their jobs in January anyway) and those who aren't pledging loyalty now are being let go. I think a 30-year old petulant dude is Trump's guy for appointees and is behind a lot of this.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:30 last edited by
@Mik said in Trump's DoD plans:
I think we canrest easy. The military will never support it.
Agree. I do have think that US system is well designed to prevent a regular transfer from one President to another.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 14:34 last edited by
A coup. Hey I love a good rhetorical debate but I have it say it’s laughable to seriously think that is even an objective much less a possible reality.
Don’t mean to sound harsh.
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A coup. Hey I love a good rhetorical debate but I have it say it’s laughable to seriously think that is even an objective much less a possible reality.
Don’t mean to sound harsh.
wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:02 last edited by@Loki said in Trump's DoD plans:
A coup. Hey I love a good rhetorical debate but I have it say it’s laughable to seriously think that is even an objective much less a possible reality.
Don’t mean to sound harsh.
I agree, but who's going to break it to DJT?
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:28 last edited by Klaus
I don't know. As I said, I don't consider it likely, but the actions (systematically raise doubts about the election months before the election, refusal to accept election results, sudden replacement of strategic positions with loyal yes-men) would be consistent with the hypothesis. I don't think the probability is 10%, but I don't think it is 0% either. He could pad his "election was stolen" story a bit more (e.g. by "uncovering" a master plan of the democrats to manipulate the election and that they must be treated as traitors) and use it as a reason to stay in the WH, maybe promising to repeat the election at some undetermined future date, ask his supporters to "defend their country" (and we know that would work with quite a few people), present himself as the saviour of the US, and hint at the potential use of force if somebody tries to remove him. Ample precedent of this kind of story in the history books...
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:33 last edited by
Thankfully, the US army doesn't have any army general uniforms in his size.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:37 last edited by
I hear you Klaus.
If any other world leader were doing this we'd all be pretty suspicious. And I don't blame anyone for being concerned.
Maybe I should be more concerned than I am, but I read the reporting from inside the WH that there's no real plan other than to survive from one news cycle to the next, and I find it very easy to believe.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:46 last edited by
Chill; a few more days and all the bruhaha will settle. The Donald will be looking at more winter golfing. And Melania will think on what hubby would like as a leaving present, maybe knit him a colourful rastacap.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:55 last edited by
71 million people voted for Trump. 71 million people believe the election was stolen. They have very good reason to believe that. 71 million people need to find out if our election process can be trusted. If Biden wins and that's proven, fine. But if you want Biden to be seen as legitimately elected, this process HAS to play out.
Nancy Pelosi literally said from a podium that the election would be stolen by the democrats, and that it would happen overnight. Biden literally declared from a podium that the democrats has built the biggest election fraud organization in history. Don't try to rationalize either one of those statements. They said it, and 71 million voters take them at their word. Hillary Clinton said several weeks before the election that Biden should refuse to concede, because if he hung in there the vote count would go up until he won. 71 million people understood her quite clearly - "don't give up Joe, we'll bring the votes you need".
We are justified in not trusting the democrats. They have proven beyond doubt that they cannot be trusted. Instead of continuing to nurse your TDS, you should be hanging your heads in shame for continuing to defend a political party that you KNOW is corrupt.
But you go right on bashing Trump, and crowing about having elected a feeble minded loser. I don't know if Trump will win or not, I don't know what he will do next, neither do you. But there's one thing I DO know with 100% certainty: whether you ever admit it out loud or not, I know that it won't be long until you regret your choice, and I know 100% that Biden/Harris will fuck this country over good. And I fully intend to rub your noses in the shit from it.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 15:58 last edited by Catseye3
Klaus, he's flapping right now. It is for Trump psychologically impossible to admit failure. I mean, he can't, in the way an agoraphobe can't leave his house. Fate has him facing foursquare his failure to win re-election, and there is nothing he can do to fix that or to evade it. He's lashing out, scrambling around. Probably we'll see more irrational behavior before it's all done.
As for DoD, the newsies report ongoing "tensions" between him and Esper for some time, so there's one reason he picked on Esper.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:01 last edited by
You are dumber than a fucking brick.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:18 last edited by
A coup is about as funny as pizzagate. I’ll leave it at that.
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I don't know. As I said, I don't consider it likely, but the actions (systematically raise doubts about the election months before the election, refusal to accept election results, sudden replacement of strategic positions with loyal yes-men) would be consistent with the hypothesis. I don't think the probability is 10%, but I don't think it is 0% either. He could pad his "election was stolen" story a bit more (e.g. by "uncovering" a master plan of the democrats to manipulate the election and that they must be treated as traitors) and use it as a reason to stay in the WH, maybe promising to repeat the election at some undetermined future date, ask his supporters to "defend their country" (and we know that would work with quite a few people), present himself as the saviour of the US, and hint at the potential use of force if somebody tries to remove him. Ample precedent of this kind of story in the history books...
wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:35 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump's DoD plans:
I don't know. As I said, I don't consider it likely, but the actions (systematically raise doubts about the election months before the election, refusal to accept election results, sudden replacement of strategic positions with loyal yes-men) would be consistent with the hypothesis. I don't think the probability is 10%, but I don't think it is 0% either. He could pad his "election was stolen" story a bit more (e.g. by "uncovering" a master plan of the democrats to manipulate the election and that they must be treated as traitors) and use it as a reason to stay in the WH, maybe promising to repeat the election at some undetermined future date, ask his supporters to "defend their country" (and we know that would work with quite a few people), present himself as the saviour of the US, and hint at the potential use of force if somebody tries to remove him. Ample precedent of this kind of story in the history books...
0%.
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Klaus, he's flapping right now. It is for Trump psychologically impossible to admit failure. I mean, he can't, in the way an agoraphobe can't leave his house. Fate has him facing foursquare his failure to win re-election, and there is nothing he can do to fix that or to evade it. He's lashing out, scrambling around. Probably we'll see more irrational behavior before it's all done.
As for DoD, the newsies report ongoing "tensions" between him and Esper for some time, so there's one reason he picked on Esper.
wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:37 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Trump's DoD plans:
As for DoD, the newsies report ongoing "tensions" between him and Esper for some time, so there's one reason he picked on Esper.
Yes, but he has not only replaced Esper. From what I read, he replaced quite a few additional high-ranking people at the DoD. as well. It's like a purge. Why in the DoD and why now?
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Chill; a few more days and all the bruhaha will settle. The Donald will be looking at more winter golfing. And Melania will think on what hubby would like as a leaving present, maybe knit him a colourful rastacap.
wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:37 last edited by@AndyD said in Trump's DoD plans:
Chill; a few more days and all the bruhaha will settle. The Donald will be looking at more winter golfing. And Melania will think on what hubby would like as a leaving present, maybe knit him a colourful rastacap.
You wish.
Ain't gonna happen.
I suspect there will be no Biden honeymoon and Trump will be on the front page more than Joe.
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71 million people voted for Trump. 71 million people believe the election was stolen. They have very good reason to believe that. 71 million people need to find out if our election process can be trusted. If Biden wins and that's proven, fine. But if you want Biden to be seen as legitimately elected, this process HAS to play out.
Nancy Pelosi literally said from a podium that the election would be stolen by the democrats, and that it would happen overnight. Biden literally declared from a podium that the democrats has built the biggest election fraud organization in history. Don't try to rationalize either one of those statements. They said it, and 71 million voters take them at their word. Hillary Clinton said several weeks before the election that Biden should refuse to concede, because if he hung in there the vote count would go up until he won. 71 million people understood her quite clearly - "don't give up Joe, we'll bring the votes you need".
We are justified in not trusting the democrats. They have proven beyond doubt that they cannot be trusted. Instead of continuing to nurse your TDS, you should be hanging your heads in shame for continuing to defend a political party that you KNOW is corrupt.
But you go right on bashing Trump, and crowing about having elected a feeble minded loser. I don't know if Trump will win or not, I don't know what he will do next, neither do you. But there's one thing I DO know with 100% certainty: whether you ever admit it out loud or not, I know that it won't be long until you regret your choice, and I know 100% that Biden/Harris will fuck this country over good. And I fully intend to rub your noses in the shit from it.
wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 16:58 last edited by@Larry said in Trump's DoD plans:
71 million people voted for Trump. 71 million people believe the election was stolen.
No, the second sentence doesn't follow from the first.