Work update.
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@Horace In many developing countries the link between hard work and money is broken.
So - just having a functioning economy where you can get paid for work is so so so so much more security than they're used to. Defined hours and a consistent paycheck can feel like a relatively incremental thing on top of that.
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:37 last edited by@xenon said in Work update.:
@Horace In many developing countries the link between hard work and money is broken.
It can be considered the exact same here, depending on your point of view. It was one of Howard Zinn's favorite arguments: work hard in America and get ahead. But for dishwashers, house cleaners, etc., it's "work your ass off and stay there."
Yeah, I know. Market forces. And I agree that at least the market gives you options. But capitalism ain't no meritocracy, either, when comparing across industries. It's closer to that on a company level but even so, quite obviously there are dysfunctions.
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What other reason is there to work than to earn a living?
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:39 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Work update.:
What other reason is there to work than to earn a living?
Other way around. It's not that there are other reasons to work, it's that there are many, many more ways to earn a living, thanks to the internet and its distribution model.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:40 last edited by
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
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wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:40 last edited by
I should have been a bit more clear. My point was the link between willingness to work and any money.
Like - Mexicans come up across the border and wait around uhaul stores to try to get odd jobs helping people move.
That’s an improvement for them.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:42 last edited by xenon 11 Nov 2020, 20:43
Personally I knew some folks for whom moving to Canada, getting a minimum wage job and taking up in a shithole apartment with a couple of other people was a literal dream come true.
The fact that these people are willing to be more entrepreneurial is not a surprise.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:43 last edited by
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
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@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:44 last edited by Jolly 11 Nov 2020, 20:44@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
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Personally I knew some folks for whom moving to Canada, getting a minimum wage job and taking up in a shithole apartment with a couple of other people was a literal dream come true.
The fact that these people are willing to be more entrepreneurial is not a surprise.
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:44 last edited by@xenon said in Work update.:
The fact that these people are willing to be more entrepreneurial is not a surprise.
Not at all. And they have the right mindset, definitely.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:45 last edited by@Jolly said in Work update.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
I feel attacked
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 20:48 last edited by@Jolly said in Work update.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
Families make cowards out of men the world over.
I absolutely made the right move getting out of there, though. I don't know what happens next but the promise of job security was putting many other things at risk. (My health, just for starters. I was squarely in stage I hypertension while working there, working up to stage II. About 10 days out and I'm down to an average of 125/85.)
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@Jolly said in Work update.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work update.:
@Jolly said in Work update.:
It's a shame you're white, you could have went to work for the government...
I've done that, actually. Twice.
I'd rather work at Starbucks. Far more competent co-workers, far more job satisfaction, far less time wasted.
A married man is a hostage to fortune.
Families make cowards out of men the world over.
I absolutely made the right move getting out of there, though. I don't know what happens next but the promise of job security was putting many other things at risk. (My health, just for starters. I was squarely in stage I hypertension while working there, working up to stage II. About 10 days out and I'm down to an average of 125/85.)
wrote on 12 Nov 2020, 01:57 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer I am sure that things will work out best for you!!
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 00:45 last edited by Aqua Letifer
Was just on a Skype call with my old boss and co-workers. It was an unsanctioned going away event for my old boss and the EA.
It was fucking surreal.
First of all, almost 40 percent of the organization was on this "secret" call. And the vibe of it was completely not what you expect. It was hilarious, folks had their kids on the call, there were people making s'mores in their backyard, lots of jokes and screwing around. Sure there was bitching but it wasn't angry or bitter, it was "congratulations for getting let go, we're so happy for you!!" Everyone understood that the people to feel sorry for were the ones still there; there was no ambiguity about that.
Surreal. It wasn't like an office happy hour at all. It was much more like if a domestic abuse support group had a virtual cookout.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 03:06 last edited by
I want to work there.