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Pfizer FTW

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #38

    Cuomo is just flat wrong. The government does not have any infrastructure to distribute and administer the vaccine. To try to set that up would take months, by which time we could be well on the way to a vaccinated population.

    The private sector does have that infrastructure, however imperfect. We see it every year in flu shots. as far as 'healthcare deserts', that can be dealt with. But a large part of teh problem there is not accessibility but awareness and willingness.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #39

      Kind of disingenuous to change “fix it or stop” to just “stop it”.

      I don’t know enough about the plan to comment. It is certainly true that no existing pharamacies and few if any hospitals have the infrastructure to store a vaccine at -91C. I’m not sure how the current plan deals with this problem. I also think managing the follow up shot is likely to be poorly implemented by the pharmacies, but I have trouble imagining the state doing it any better.

      But I really need to read a more technical version of the objections.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by Mik
        #40

        That's the same temperature required to ship frozen steaks and ice cream across the country. I think we can handle it. It's not like we have a choice.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #41

          Ah, no. My understanding is most research labs freezers don’t go below -80

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #42

            That's what the Wall Street Journal says. Where's your info come from?

            https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-race-turns-deep-freezers-into-a-hot-commodity-11599217201?mod=hp_lead_pos4

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #43

              United Parcel Service Inc. (UPS) is one of the providers who is planning to build so-called "freezer farms" to gear up for the rapid delivery of vaccines. There are big challenges, but they are not as big as not having a vaccine to begin with.

              Infohttps://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/coldstorage-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/04/id/985471/

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • L Offline
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                Loki
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                #44

                I just have to say how much I love watching Cuomo be so transparent about the loss of all the major credit the dems had planned on taking, it’s truly delicious.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #45

                  Biden (if elected) had better be the best thing since sliced bread.

                  This is not starting well.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • L Offline
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                    Loki
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                    #46

                    Listen to Biden’s Saturday acceptance speech. “Our work begins with gettingCovid under control... I will spare no effort, none, or any commitment to turn around this pandemic”.

                    It’s not often you get to skip right over your most important initiative and head straight to job 2. Well maybe he can do it in NY where the gov wants to wait 2 months.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                      #47

                      Loki - I think you're underestimating how quickly the population can be vaccinated. We're on track for close to 1MM new cases a week now.

                      They haven't even requested emergency approval yet. And even under emergency authorization the distribution will be very limited.

                      Point is this announcement doesn't mean we can take our eye off of managing the pandemic.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                        #48

                        Mik - I can't see behind the wsj paywall, and it wouldn't surprise me if there exist methods using cryogenic storage to ship at that temp today but there's absolutely no way your average reefer truck shipping meat and ice cream is running at -91C.

                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          wrote on last edited by
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                          In other words you have nothing.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • AxtremusA Away
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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            -91ºC is very challenging.
                            Saw another news source that reported -70ºC for storage; still very challenging.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              We run garden variety plasma freezers at -30 C everyday. No big whoop.

                              BTW, Pfizer can crank out 5OM doses in 12 months. I assume that's domestic numbers.

                              OTOH, Moderna should come in soon.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                As for how quickly people can be vaccinated, I'll let y'all know.😛

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • LarryL Larry

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Pfizer FTW:

                                  @Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:

                                  Why noy, if it is a possible Truth?

                                  It gets back to the article you posted the other day about making accusations without evidence.

                                  I probably am one of the more anti conspiracy people here. Just don’t believe in them.

                                  It is like the German guy in the World War 2. If you keep repeating a lie long enough, people will start to believe it.

                                  You sure bought the "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!! RUSSIA" conspiracy hook line And sinker.

                                  taiwan_girlT Online
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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  @Larry said in Pfizer FTW:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Pfizer FTW:

                                  @Jolly said in Pfizer FTW:

                                  Why noy, if it is a possible Truth?

                                  It gets back to the article you posted the other day about making accusations without evidence.

                                  I probably am one of the more anti conspiracy people here. Just don’t believe in them.

                                  It is like the German guy in the World War 2. If you keep repeating a lie long enough, people will start to believe it.

                                  You sure bought the "RUSSIA!RUSSIA!! RUSSIA" conspiracy hook line And sinker.

                                  I did??

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                                  • LarryL Offline
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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #54

                                    Yes. You sure did.

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                                    • bachophileB bachophile

                                      Breaking news-zoom down 20% in the stock market

                                      https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/zoom-video-stock-price-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-success-telework-zm-2020-11-1029781479

                                      taiwan_girlT Online
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                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @bachophile said in Pfizer FTW:

                                      Breaking news-zoom down 20% in the stock market

                                      https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/zoom-video-stock-price-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-success-telework-zm-2020-11-1029781479

                                      I still believe face to face is the best way to do things. I realize that some companies look at the money and think that the difference is not worth it to fly someone out for a meeting, but in many cases, I do think so.

                                      I have fly to places where i have spent double or triple the time traveling than for the meeting. But it was worth it.

                                      I remember a commercial for a hotel chain a while back

                                      "You cannot FAX/email a smile"
                                      "You cannot text a handshake or pat on the back"
                                      "You cannot email a shared dinner and conversation"
                                      etc

                                      I realixe that the world is changing and video/audio conference will be used much more than before, but still

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