Buyer's Remorse
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Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 01:18 last edited by@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
Guess again.
Schumer made the comment today, that if the Dems could take the two Senate seats in Georgia, the Demonrats could change the world.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 01:33 last edited by
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.” -
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 01:35 last edited by George K 11 Aug 2020, 01:36@Axtremus said in Buyer's Remorse:
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”Or, if you prefer, you can rephrase as Biden refers to 48.2% of the voters in this country as chumps.
Unity!
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 01:40 last edited by
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
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There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 01:41 last edited by@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
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@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 02:03 last edited by@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
Perk up. So what if your preferred candidate lost this time around. You know the winner is not that bad, don’t you?
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@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
Perk up. So what if your preferred candidate lost this time around. You know the winner is not that bad, don’t you?
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 02:04 last edited by@Axtremus said in Buyer's Remorse:
Trump completely purged that out of you
"I won, John."
That's all you need to know.
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Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 02:12 last edited by@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
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@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 02:23 last edited by Jolly 11 Aug 2020, 02:25@Catseye3 said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
Listen , oh TDS sufferer. The Man got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history. Without fraud, that is.
He got record numbers of black men. He took the majority of the native American vote. He got a much higher percentage of Latino votes than any GOP candidate in recent memory.
And you want to walk away from that?
Are you head-banging stupid? Even with his impolite personality, you take COVID and its effect out of the equation and Trump would have slaughtered Biden. Trump ran into a perfect storm, that he failed to navigate well. He also ran into the most fraudulent/fucked up election in the last 100 years or more.
The next person that thinks millions of mail-in ballots is a good idea - even in the middle of an epidemic - should be pithed and left to die in a road ditch, while the crows pick his eyes out.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 02:31 last edited by
Record number of black men. That's something.
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so maybe our open and honest social discussion should be had between those two groups. What a sight to behold that would be. Oh, but we white folk are just entering into the discussion hand tied and blind folded, now aren't we.
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@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
Perk up. So what if your preferred candidate lost this time around. You know the winner is not that bad, don’t you?
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 03:11 last edited by@Axtremus said in Buyer's Remorse:
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
The last unifier we had
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 03:17 last edited by
Here, all you ignorant Trump bashers. Have a look at what absolute tools you are:
Link to video -
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 03:18 last edited by@Axtremus said in Buyer's Remorse:
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”How many of them were dead?
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Here, all you ignorant Trump bashers. Have a look at what absolute tools you are:
Link to videowrote on 8 Nov 2020, 11:05 last edited by@Larry said in Buyer's Remorse:
Here, all you ignorant Trump bashers. Have a look at what absolute tools you are:
Link to videoThey won't look. But the video makes some very good points.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 17:25 last edited by
I think you guys are developing BDS. 555
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@Renauda Good to "see" you here. Always enjoy your interesting posts.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 19:28 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Renauda Good to "see" you here. Always enjoy your interesting posts.
Thank you TG, as do I reading your reasoned posts.
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@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 19:40 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Buyer's Remorse:
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
I agree. They have to come to terms with the fact that under Trump, the Republican Party ceased to the voice of conservatism. Trump is not and has never been a conservative. Now is a perfect opportunity for Burkian conservative Republicans to reclaim their party from the Trumpian reactionaries.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 20:23 last edited by
See what I mean? Ignore, mock. You Trump bashers won't address that video at all. And most of the noise is coming from people who don't even live here and frankly is none of their fucking business anyway.
