Buyer's Remorse
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Unfortunately, I do not for a moment believe that the world has seen the end of Trumpism in the the USA. It bears too many similarities to Argentina's Peronism to go away quietly or permanently. The past four we have been introduced to its populism. We barely got a glimpse at its inherent authoritarianism. That will come in time.
In any case I am glad the loathesome son of bitch, Trump, is out of office.
@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
Unfortunately, I do not for a moment believe that the world has seen the end of Trumpism in the the USA. It bears too many similarities to Argentina's Peronism to go away quietly or permanently. The past four we have been introduced to its populism. We barely got a glimpse at its inherent authoritarianism. That will come in time.
In any case I am glad the loathesome son of bitch, Trump, is out of office.
Just another tedious expression of hatred by a normal human towards Trump. But I think you underestimate the right. What's your preferred solution? Populism is a word I've learned to be wary of. Lots of us haven't given much thought to the relative weight of it between the two parties and their ideas.
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@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
Unfortunately, I do not for a moment believe that the world has seen the end of Trumpism in the the USA.
No, that is true. It will take many years to remove that odor, and there is a very real risk that in doing so we will lean too far in the opposite direction.
And greetings to you, Renauda. Believe it or not, I thought of you recently; would've liked to hear your voice through all of this.
Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
Elbows up!
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Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
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@jon-nyc said in Buyer's Remorse:
What
I'llnever have is seller’s remorse.FIFY.
There are seventy million people who voted for Trump.
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@jon-nyc said in Buyer's Remorse:
What
I'llnever have is seller’s remorse.FIFY.
There are seventy million people who voted for Trump.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Funny how you see "Trumpism"as you like to call it authoritarian, when the truth is the left are the ones being authoritarians.
@Larry said in Buyer's Remorse:
Funny how you see "Trumpism"as you like to call it authoritarian, when the truth is the left are the ones being authoritarians.
Actually, fascist.
I don't remember any Trump supporters threatening the White House receptionist with never working again.
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Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
Guess again.
Schumer made the comment today, that if the Dems could take the two Senate seats in Georgia, the Demonrats could change the world.
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@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.” -
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Jolly said in Buyer's Remorse:
seventy million people who voted for Trump.
Chumps
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”@Axtremus said in Buyer's Remorse:
There are over 75 million people who voted for Biden.
If you prefer, you can rephrase as “there are 75 million people who voted against Trump.”Or, if you prefer, you can rephrase as Biden refers to 48.2% of the voters in this country as chumps.
Unity!
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There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
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@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
Perk up. So what if your preferred candidate lost this time around. You know the winner is not that bad, don’t you?
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@George-K said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Horace said in Buyer's Remorse:
There is no such thing as a unifier in politics. So if anybody ever tells you that their favorite politician is more of a unifier than yours, you can go ahead and tell them that they are full of shit.
You know, that's a pretty profound comment. It's all about winning.
As Jolly frequently says, "Politics ain't beanbag."
So sad, if you have had any hope for a unifying politician at all, it seems Trump completely purged that out of you in the last four years.
Perk up. So what if your preferred candidate lost this time around. You know the winner is not that bad, don’t you?
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Greetings to you as well. This election has been more than just a little entertaining from where I sit albeit the lens through which I view it is quite different from you and your compatriots. Suffice to say, I chose to wait until a winner was announced before making comment.
I agree there is a risk that elements in the Democrat camp pushing too far the other direction will further exacerbate the division that characterizes the US at the present. There are fringe elements in every political party the world over that need to be reigned in or face expulsion. With teh Democrats much of this is because those fringe elements (or better, Jacobins) have abandoned working class folks and issues and taken up instead with various subculture and identity interests that have in varying degrees at one time or another faced discrimination or have been excluded. As an aside, this revisionism is not exclusive to the Democrat Party but to the Left pretty much everywhere in the world at present. It has become acute in the US because its political tradition does not accommodate a third party alternative to govern the country.
The Democrat Party been thus increasingly divided against itself since before the Reagan era. It briefly united under Clinton only split again after G W Bush's defeat of Gore. It has remained split ever since. The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
@Catseye3 said in Buyer's Remorse:
@Renauda said in Buyer's Remorse:
The DNC will have to face this fact during the next four years and rebuild itself as a firmly moderate centrist party if it ever hopes to compete with its opposite number in years to come. I am optimistic that if nothing else this election has laid bare that fact to the DNC and that it will work to erase the damaging effects that the Jacobins in its midst have and are causing.
From your lips to God's ear. Taking the long view, it's my more simple-minded impression that the Democratic Party has distinguished itself of late mostly through dumbassery.
The Republican Party also has work to do. They enabled Trump. They had a chance early on to distance themselves from the crazy assclown and do a solid for America, and they chose to take the coward's way out. By the time they realized they were stuck fast to the Trump tarbaby, they had nowhere to go. Then the love affair began to discorporate around the trial, when it was really too late, followed by endless waffling. So a pox on them, too.
Rick Wilson in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies talks about this very well -- the nature of the damage the GOP has done to itself through Trump and how it can resurrect itself with the American people.
I fear neither party is in a good place to repair themselves, which is really too bad.
Listen , oh TDS sufferer. The Man got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history. Without fraud, that is.
He got record numbers of black men. He took the majority of the native American vote. He got a much higher percentage of Latino votes than any GOP candidate in recent memory.
And you want to walk away from that?
Are you head-banging stupid? Even with his impolite personality, you take COVID and its effect out of the equation and Trump would have slaughtered Biden. Trump ran into a perfect storm, that he failed to navigate well. He also ran into the most fraudulent/fucked up election in the last 100 years or more.
The next person that thinks millions of mail-in ballots is a good idea - even in the middle of an epidemic - should be pithed and left to die in a road ditch, while the crows pick his eyes out.
