Trump's reaction to losing
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@Larry said in Trump's reaction to losing:
@xenon said in Trump's reaction to losing:
@Jolly he not interesting unless he’s on the cusp or in the seat of power.
He had simple messages that connected with people from day one.
Unless you mean he’ll be starting up MAGA 2024.
I hope he does. Four years of the damage that's coming should be all it takes.
If Biden does not change some already stated objectives, or if the GOP Senate cannot stop him, there is going to be major economic hemorrhaging...Take New Mexico...New Mexico has two major industries, tourism and the oil fields. The oil fields are mostly on Federal land.
Between Captain Lockdown killing the tourist industry and ending fracking in Federal land leases, New Mexico is in very bad shape.
That's one state among many...
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This may get interesting once media outlets start calling it and Biden makes a victory speech.
Interesting, in a facepalm sense.
I just don't Trump conceding here at all. He's fine making huge fraud claims with innuendo and vague accusations - nothing the courts do / say will counter that, even by inauguration day.
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@xenon said in Trump's reaction to losing:
This may get interesting once media outlets start calling it and Biden makes a victory speech.
Interesting, in a facepalm sense.
I just don't Trump conceding here at all. He's fine making huge fraud claims with innuendo and vague accusations - nothing the courts do / say will counter that, even by inauguration day.
Would you shove your Trump bashing square up your ass? FUCK, man, give it a damned rest.
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@Larry I’m not trying to bash the guy and I’m not saying voting in this country is perfect. I just hate to see a lot of people think that the process is irrevocably broken.
I don’t think it is. I think there’s probably lots of errors and even some malice across the country.
I don’t think it’s systematic, and if it is - there needs to be evidence before those sort of accusations are thrown out.
Our trust in elections is bigger than any single election.
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@Jolly said in Trump's reaction to losing:
It's broken. There are millions of people who no longer trust the ballot box.
You cannot put the genie back in the box.
It’s not that I don’t trust it but It reinforces my opinion that most people should vote the day of the election.
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@Loki said in Trump's reaction to losing:
@Jolly said in Trump's reaction to losing:
It's broken. There are millions of people who no longer trust the ballot box.
You cannot put the genie back in the box.
It’s not that I don’t trust it but It reinforces my opinion that most people should vote the day of the election.
The nation who has millions of its citizens carrying cellphones that can only be unlocked with a unique thumbprint, can't figure out how to deal with voter fraud.
That is unconscionable.
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@Jolly I don’t disagree with you, Jolly.
But I think a lot of privacy purists would disagree.
If you had a digital identifier for citizens (simple to do) - it’d be pretty easy to make a secure National digital system for multiple purposes, including voting.
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@xenon said in Trump's reaction to losing:
@Jolly I don’t disagree with you, Jolly.
But I think a lot of privacy purists would disagree.
If you had a digital identifier for citizens (simple to do) - it’d be pretty easy to make a secure National digital system for multiple purposes, including voting.
The fix is easy.
You end mail-in ballots. Voters must vote in person, except those allowed by federal law (military, etc.) to use a mail-in vote (and then you have to keep them out of the trash, as in Georgia). You can still let people vote early, as long as it is done in person, with ID and signature verification, not more than two weeks before the general election date. You have poll watchers, even at early voting. No voting or counting will be done without those watchers present.
And you make voter fraud a crime that carries very heavy penalties.
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@xenon said in Trump's reaction to losing:
@Larry I’m not trying to bash the guy and I’m not saying voting in this country is perfect. I just hate to see a lot of people think that the process is irrevocably broken.
I don’t think it is. I think there’s probably lots of errors and even some malice across the country.
I don’t think it’s systematic, and if it is - there needs to be evidence before those sort of accusations are thrown out.
Our trust in elections is bigger than any single election.
Then fucking say THAT instead of stringing together a litany of mean spirited bull shit aimed at Trump. Yes you ARE trying to bash the guy. And the process IS broken.
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@Jolly you put a lot of emphasis on "security" but virtually none on "access".
Faith in the electoral system will also crumble if a large enough swath of the population cannot cast their votes.
The logistical challenges of running an election with 76MM voters (1932), 120MM voters (1968), 182MM voters (1988), and 239MM voters (2020) are not the same. Transit technologies and infrastructure change over time and access to transportation change over time. War, natural disasters, and pandemics will necessitate changes from time to time.
Want to get rid of mail-in voting? Fine, only when easy access to polling stations of sufficient vote processing capacities are available. Commit to guaranteeing that no one has to travel more than X miles to get to a polling station or wait more than Y minutes in line to cast a vote at a polling station, then we can talk about eliminating mail-in voting.
Otherwise, let's say we allow only in-person voting and put only one polling station in each state, logically located where the population is most dense such that it is "shortest distance" for the most people to get there in person, and see how the country/rural folks like it.
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